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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 189 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It was two sticks! Stop spreading misinformation here!

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 103 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Two sticks and a gigantic globe of plasma shining near-parallel beams of light at every spot on the planet.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago

That was just kind of hanging around there, so why not use it?

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also a dude he paid to walk a few hundred miles.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Shit, I wanted to reproduce his experiment but I don't have one of those.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Do you live in England?

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'll have one delivered to you within 24 hours. Air mail.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Depending on the hour of the day at the other poster's location, it can arrive much sooner than that...

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 6 months ago

I did say "within" 24 hours.

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[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 7 points 6 months ago

Now I wonder what "Aaaaakshually" sounds like in ancient Greek.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 130 points 6 months ago (4 children)
[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

His nickname was "Beta" because he was the second best at everything.

[–] Muscar@discuss.online 7 points 6 months ago

Big brain both literally and figuratively based on that etching.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How do you pronounce it? I'm fumbling

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

"Eratosthenes"

era TOSS the knees

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oi!

'ere, toss da knees, man! We ain't got all day!

Thanks!

[–] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Pardon me, did you say "Abe Lincoln"?

Edit: I was trying to reference this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJcuYKyHEgs

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This comment is so underrated; I fucking love that you made it though.

Be over here with my strength of feet.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Achoo!

A Jew‽ Here‽ In England‽

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 55 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The original "Tony Stark In a Cave"

[–] Legend@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 6 months ago

Eratosthenes did it with a fucking stick .

But we are not Eratosthenes sir .

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The accuracy he achieved and in that time period with the information available to him is frankly staggering. The degree of his error is slightly complicated by the stadion not being a historically exact figure, but his calculation showed the Earth to be 252,000 stadia in circumference. Accounting for the variability in the exact length of the stadia dependent on what definition was used in the calculation, that gives us in kilometers 39,060km on the lower end and 40,320km on the upper. The actual circumference of the Earth is 40,075km. This gives him an error range of between -2.4% and +0.8%.

He also didn't just use a stick but used extensive geographic charts to calculate the distance between the 2 cities where he measured the shadow. It was a monumental achievement and is shockingly accurate. I also believe this knowledge was lost to time and for quite a long time after we did not have any measurements even close to this accuracy.

Here is a picture visually demonstrating how he performed his calculation.

[–] Flummoxed@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's still seriously impressive with that error range?

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I never said it wasn't. I was originally writing this as a response to a commenter who said the error was ~15%. My comment initially started with "He was actually significantly more accurate than that."

[–] crispyflagstones@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

15% commenter here. My number came from the source I used, I'm not enough of a Greek history fan to know one way or the other, thanks for clarifying

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Good question

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)

to be fair it was more than 1 stick

[–] Cicraft@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] vardogor@mander.xyz 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Trail@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Could have been the same stick transported from one place to another.

Also, I thought he used a well?

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A well is the inverse of a stick.

[–] Flummoxed@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Wow. This comment had me thinking DEEP.

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[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 27 points 6 months ago (4 children)

He was obviously employed by NASA. Don’t believe the round earth agenda!

[–] neo@feddit.de 5 points 6 months ago

Sheeple never stop to amaze me!

The ground that looks and feels flat is actually flat? Impossible!

A guy 2200 years ago measures how round earth is - with a straight stick? Sure sounds right!

/s

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 months ago
[–] Dufurson@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago

sticks and stones can cucumberference the big rock

[–] disheveledWallaby@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

isnt this the fucker who used units of stadia? The unit that we have no historical reference to? (at least one significant enough to be certain about it's actual referenced distance) Which means that we don't actually know how accurate it was?

[–] olutukko@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean we do know the formula, se we know pretty well how accurate it was, since we can just use the same formula with meters and calculate it ourselves

"The simplified method works by considering two cities along the same meridian and measuring both the distance between them and the difference in angles of the shadows cast by the sun on a vertical rod (a gnomon) in each city at noon on the summer solstice. The two cities used were Alexandria and Syene (modern Aswan), and the distance between the cities was measured by professional bematists.[16] A geometric calculation reveals that the circumference of the Earth is the distance between the two cities divided by the difference in shadow angles expressed as a fraction of one turn. "

[–] crispyflagstones@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Sorta. The stade was based on the pous which varied. But not that much, and in ways that are often consistently documented. Around the time Eratosthenes was alive, give or take a couple hundred years, it was documented that 1 Roman mile = 8 stades, which gives us something to go of off. While there are other possible definitions, we do have one that we know is probably closest to whatever Eratosthenes used.

EDIT - the numbers regarding the error range in this source is likely inaccurate, but goes into the units issue

https://maa.org/press/periodicals/convergence/eratosthenes-and-the-mystery-of-the-stades-how-long-is-a-stade

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[–] CrispyFern@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

When I was a kid my teachers told me that Christopher Columbus discovered the earth was round and that before him everyone thought it was flat. When I was about ~13 I read a short biography of Eratosthenes and it blew my little mind. centrist

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

THE PYRAMID ALIENS

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

There were also wells and a lot of walking involved.

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