It's weird how you only post stuff critical of ukraine. One might think you have an agenda.
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The dude has the flag of the DDR as his profile picture. German tankies are a particularly special breed of stupid, with all that the opening of the STASI archives revealed about the horrible shit going on under Sowjet rule.
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I jusy went over their posts and maybe 20 percent cover Ukraine, most are jusr critical of US and most are widely accepeted western news sites ( ft, economist, independent ).
I counted his posts and he has 24 non duplicate posts. Of those 10 are critical of ukraine. The rest seem to be anti-vax or anti-us. 10/24= 41% So almost half of his posts are critical of ukraine. Also widely accepted sources doesn't change the fact that this OP has an obvious agenda. Weird that you would try to defend him with disinformation though. Isn't that a common authoritarian trick?
I love how you framed an article by the Independent (a liberal UK paper) on the relationship between the pharma industry and western governments as anti-vax. Is disinformation a common liberal trick?
Ugh, you just had to say "anti-vax" for most people to know he's a certified stooge or a turbo-dumbfuck.
Ooo, anti-vax too. So OP is an all around trash person.
Define authoritarian please
Fuck off Hexbear propagandist.
I just assume that everyone has some kind of agenda, so I don't see real problem with it.
Can you find many accounts that equally represent pro and against war stances and reportings? I most certanly haven't seen them, nor did I see comentes negating their stance.
I don't have a goal to chamge yoir opinion I am commenting for other people seeing your comment so that they get differet view point and check for themselves.
I think the biggest issue is that a lot of people from US never before ventured on non-US part of the net and have problem accepting that some people have negatinve opinions on US foreign policies (which would be whole non white part of the world). And now that you are exposed to differences of opinion you react the same as for your internal politics - by seeing it as an enemy and not another human beings with different life experiences.
People are allowed to post what they want, you're allowed to post any pro ukraine stuff you like. You can't just piss and cry because people have different opinions than you, and can link pro-western sources backing up their point of view. The mind bending is unreal.
For a Trekkie, You do know Star Trek is supposed to be influenced by a post resource scarcity communist society right?
Financial Times is Russian propaganda!
There's so much Kremlin and CCP disinformation on Lemmy I've stopped recommending it to anyone. Really a shame.
The only way to deal with it is to smother it with people who are aware of the disinformation, though.
But the people understanding desinformation are spending significant amounts of free time on it, while the propagandists are getting paid and the morons just soak up the headlines and go on... so both ignore any actual argument or link to facts someone spend time one anyway.
So, no. There is easy way to deal with this that doesn't involve heavy moderation...
I’ve been suggesting universal defederation from the tanky instances for a few months. They’re all terrible in unique but related ways.
I think that's absolutely the right direction.
They're not genuine, they don't argue in good faith, they brigade... the Fediverse won't ever become truly meaningful in its current state.
Exactly! Speak up! I’ve been in a couple of bouts with a hexbear mob already!
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It’s hard to not post bad news about Ukraine, it’s not like their counteroffensive is going well right? 😅
Funny how all you tankies have been saying the same thing since the war began. Yet ukraine is still in it and advancing. So odd. Almost like all you tankies want people outside the warzone to ignore ukraine and give up, stop sending arms. I'm sure that's all a coincidence though.
Even the Ukraine Caucus in the US Congress are RedFashTankies now. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Ukrainian_Caucus
ukraine is still in it and advancing
But that's just not true, in fact Russia is making gains on the north and south lines now (source for the map is the Institute for the Study of War: https://isw.pub/InteractiveUkraineWarMap)
The Washington Post: Ukraine running out of options to retake significant territory
The Economist: Ukraine’s sluggish counter-offensive is souring the public mood
Almost like all you tankies want people outside the warzone to ignore ukraine and give up, stop sending arms
Yeah I want the war to end so that Ukrainian and Russian workers stop dying for the American/European/Russian elites, is that a bad thing?
Didn't realize the US and EU are to blame for Russia invading its neighbor unprovoked. Could have sworn it was Russia trying to wrap up what they started in the "Free Republics" and Crimea.
Do you know what happened in Ukraine in the week before Feb 24 2022? Or the 8 years before that?
Yes, I know what was actually happening in the country, but I'm sure you have some RT propaganda that only a Russian would be dumb enough to believe.
Canadian NATO-friendly website February 9, 2014
Ukraine was hit really hard by the 2008 economic crisis and is still struggling to recover. It has beenforecast that Ukraine will be cash-strapped in the near future and are scheduled to face approximately $ 8 billion in debt repayments next year alone. Considering all of this on the horizon, it is only sensible that Yanukovych and the Ukrainian government demand that the European Union put forward a solid plan – in the interest of its citizens- to help the soften the heavy blow that the Ukrainian economy will inevitably suffer as it is exposed to a new economic market. The EU has offered just $800 million in aid as a potential insulator against the immediate effects of joining the EU. When one considers that Ukraine thinks the immediate blow of an EU deal to its economy will be in the region of $20 billion, the EU’s proposal does not even begin to address any issues. Russia on the other hand, have offered $15 billion of economic aid to Ukraine to help mitigate any potential economic disasters in the near future. Although there are doubts as to the long term effects of the Russian offer on Ukraine’s economy, Yanukovych cannot be blamed for holding out for a better deal for his country. It is what he was elected to do. Throwing his country into a monumental deal without taking into proper consideration the immediate side effects would be amateurish.
This is supposedly the match that light the "Revolution of Dignity" that completely ignored the western Ukrainian (ethnic Russian) populace.
You're almost right. The match was the attempt to take the Russian deal and, knowing full well what that meant, people took to the streets.
That $15 billion would be an investment in a puppet state at Putin's beck and call. Belarus is all the evidence you need, but you can also see how well the CSTO is going for Armenia. Utterly worthless deals.
There's data available here if you want to see the numbers yourself:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/UKR/ukraine/gdp-gross-domestic-product
1992 was the start of CSTO.
Ukraine GDP per capita 1992 = $1418
Ukraine GDP per capita 2021 = $4828
Armenia GDP per capita 1992 = $356
Armenia GDP per capita 2021 = $4967
Belarus GDP per capita 1992 = $1668
Belarus GDP per capita 2021 = $7490
Care to elaborate on your comment in light of this data?
Cherrypicking data after a huge economic crisis and showing growth. Wow. Incredible. Just as a comparison:
Poland GDP per Capita 1992: $2459
Poland GDP per Capita 2021: $17999
The fact CSTO has a defense clause which Russia has failed to follow through on multiple times? You talk economic growth, cherry picking stats you like, when I'm talking about the core foundation of a defense pact. The defense. Not once has the group actually defended a member state during an armed conflict, specifically the ongoing fight between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
It is a toothless pact. I'll let Lord handle your stat nonsense, since that wasn't the point of me mentioning CSTO.
You do not dispute the economics from the article or my comments.
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Luckily you are the guy who isn't influenced by propaganda at all
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*the Afghanistan war enters the chat
Which one? The graveyard of empires does not play favorites.
I doubt the title of this article very much. Ukraine is getting F-16's and probably JAS-39 Gripens very soon. Offensives and counteroffensives have to be slow and methodical by nature against entrenched forces, otherwise you'll take massive losses for very little gains.
Ukraine is on its way to gaining air superiority, and more vehicles and air defense is coming into their forces every month, and the longer this conflict lasts, the more likely it is that they'll gain more advantages over Russia as the sanctions keep draining them.
The lack of air superiority is hampering what Ukraine can do, and once that issue's settled, I think we'll start seeing more steady progress. Plus in the wide world, Japans and South Korea are settling their differences over WW2 and will probably keep cooperating, and part of that will be to send more stuff to Ukraine in order to help win there so they don't have to fight WW3 with China over Taiwan.
It's not just the West that supports Ukraine, it's also the Democratic parts of Asia.
Why is this a Imgur link lol?
FT is extremely paywalled
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