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spoiler“He’s doomed to not be loved!”

Never was there a more clear-cut case of “commentator’s curse” than when Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was inaugurated on a sunny Kyiv day exactly five years ago.

The TV narrator’s inference was that, after a landslide election victory with 73% of the vote, it could only go downhill for him.

While his approval ratings have inevitably waned, Volodymyr Zelensky has been able to use his enduring appeal, along with a desire for stability, to extend his term in office.

In peacetime it would have expired, and an election would have been called. But the martial law brought in with Russia’s full-scale invasion means that can’t happen, and there’s broad public support for that too.

“For the Ukrainians, the priority is to win the war and then have an election,” explains Anton Hrushetskyi, the head of Kyiv’s International Institute of Sociology.

“Therefore, they don’t question the legitimacy of Zelensky.”

Moscow, unsurprisingly, has done just that. But it would also jump on a mid-war election where Ukraine’s wartime leader would be heavily scrutinised.

“We see these narratives from Russia and how it tries to impose on Western minds the thought that Ukraine is not a democracy,” explains Anton.

After a high of 90% following the full-scale invasion, today around 65% of Ukrainians still trust President Zelensky to guide them through these times.

There are also immense practical hurdles with a potential election, not least with Russia occupying a fifth of the country and at least seven million Ukrainians being forced to live abroad. There are also hundreds of thousands of soldiers fighting on the front line.

“There is no alternative president,” states the renowned Ukrainian author Andriy Kurkov.

Only a few months ago Ukraine’s then-head of the armed forces Valeriy Zaluzhny was touted as a potential rival to Mr Zelensky. However, after being sacked and appointed as the country’s ambassador to the UK, he’s stayed quiet on the political front, for now.

“To become president in a show business manner and then find yourself in the middle of a war, there is nothing easy or funny about it,” says Andriy.

Back in 2022, after the Russians invaded Ukraine, the author likened Ukraine’s leader to James Bond when he turned down offers to evacuate and championed his country’s cause. So, does he feel the same now?

“He looks like a very tired James Bond,” says Andriy. “Much older, and a bit grumpy.”

“Even if we had elections tomorrow, it will be Zelensky again. Only at the end of the war will attitudes change and will people ask questions they’ve been saving for peacetime.”

Andriy believes the president’s continued support is fuelled by a desire for stability, despite some frustrations.

Watching old footage of Mr Zelenksy being sworn in is like viewing a different Ukraine. The comedian-turned-president looks fresher faced. He enthusiastically greets crowds and even jumps to kiss a man on the forehead.

No stubble, no stern expression, just an excited grin. You also don’t see people cheer any more.

“It was a very exciting day,” admits Oleksandr Danyluk who was in the new president’s team. He’d go on to be secretary of the National Security and Defence Council before leaving a year later to become an opponent of his former boss.

“None of us knew what was ahead. We didn’t have the slightest idea.”

Mr Danyluk’s political differences with the president started to mount. One of them centred on how best to combat Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine.

The president believed he could sit with Vladimir Putin and negotiate. Mr Danyluk now claims he felt the country should have been preparing for an unavoidable war.

“We should have readied ourselves much better, but those early years were lost after the full-scale invasion, right?” says Mr Danyluk, who concedes there are few better at building international support for Ukraine.

“President Zelensky will lead this war one way or another, whether somebody likes it or not, whether he likes it or not, that’s his destiny.”

Last year, President Zelensky said it was “irresponsible” to talk about elections and called for unity. Most in the country seem to agree.

The time for a political reckoning will come. Just, it seems, not now.

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[–] vaguevoid@lemmygrad.ml 53 points 6 months ago (1 children)

liberals would still call ukraine a democracy

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Putin winning several multiparty popular elections is evidence of totalitarianism. Zelensky criminalizing opposition parties and indefinitely cancelling elections is evidence of democracy.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] ParentiBot@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 6 months ago

The quote

In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

-- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds

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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 40 points 6 months ago

I love how hamfisted this propaganda is compared to how they treated the Russian elections which still occurred. Yes we're a democracy, no we don't need elections or opposition parties or any scrutiny of the leader, only Russian spies would suggest such a thing.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well when the Good Guys do it, it is democratic martial law and they are a Freedom Dictator. So it's okay.

However Russia or the DPRK are Bad Guys and therefore they are evil despots determined to ~~get those darned kids.~~ stop Freedom.

"The president believed he could sit with Vladimir Putin and negotiate."

Zelensky tried that exactly once before his overlords stopped him from doing so. He had multiple chances to do this and had every opportunity to stop the war from ever occuring.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 6 months ago

Even Iraq managed to hold elections during its "unprovoked" "full scale invasion" by the genocidal USA which killed over a million of its citizens.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if he just wants more time to fill his slush funds or if he actually believes in the endsieg.

If I were him I'd just call for elections and step down. Let someone else handle the shitshow of defeat.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Whenever I see his "this-is-fine I just fell out of a coconut tree and forget who won the Battle of Berlin" routine I interpret it as the ultranationalists having a gun to his back/hopium for the NATO paypigs. If they lose or sue for peace he's destined for assassination as the figurehead of the war and corrupt regime.

I think an election would have also made him an assassination target because his power bloc is barely holding together. When he's out, there's no one protecting him except the second tier of the bodyguard unit which just had two FSB moles uncovered in the latest attempt. Holding office is the only thing that keeps him safe. Exile to anywhere would be buying a few more days than he'd last in Ukraine.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

why doesnt he just grow a moustache and escape to argentina? that's the tried and true method...

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

Don't spoil my student loan plan.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have been assured that this is actually just too deeply democratic a strategy for us tankies to understand

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

it's pretty funny to see libs doing mental gymnastics in this thread, looks like the two main talking points are that Ukraine is under invasion and that elections aren't possible while Russia occupies part of Ukraine https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4606508

As I recall, Blinken used the second talking point recently to say that there can't be elections while Ukraine is under occupations, meaning that they want to drag the war out indefinitely.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Weird, the US occupies large swaths of my country but we still manage elections. Nobody under the age of 70 votes, but that is a different issue.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 months ago

No you don't get it, the US is benevolently protecting your from the ebil Chyna!

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not even that the "No elections during emergencies" excuse doesn't work, it's that Z-man and the US government never even entertained the idea of him stepping down and a different guy coming in. Zelensky is basically a king right now, living in a palace and taking tribute.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Incidentally, this is the most common way that client regimes work. Ideally, US wants a government that's deeply unpopular and entirely dependent on US to stay in power.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago

He’s protecting democracy!

[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 6 months ago

And who here is supprised. I think we had predicted that a long time ago

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 6 months ago

I recall somebody saying how Ukraine is increasingly becoming more like the west, while the west is becoming more like Ukraine, and not in a good way.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Two terms: democracy

Three terms: AUTHORITARIANTOTALITARIANDICTATORSHIPAUTOCRACYTYRANNY

No terms: democracy

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago

Anything he does from this point on is the work of an unelected dictator.