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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 352 points 5 months ago (8 children)

It's called "corpse". Often riddled with diseases.

[–] School_Lunch@lemmy.world 92 points 5 months ago (9 children)

I remember a documentary about a famous northwest passage expedition that was never seen again. One of the inuit people they talked to during an investigation claimed they found a boat, and in the captain's quarters they found a body in the bed with a big smile on its face. That would be absolutely terrifying, but apparently that's what naturally happens to corpses when their lips and gums receed.

[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Oh for just one time, I would take the Northwest Passage..."

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

maybe hairless chimps too. Those things are crazy

[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 26 points 5 months ago (8 children)

They will rip your dick out, Jamie send that video of jacked hairless chimps

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[–] Amanuet@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

You're right though, as soon as someone dies, there's something not right at all about how they look. They don't look asleep, they look uncanny valley.

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

It also covers those who are not biologically fit to be mates. Various conditions can appear as physical traits.

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[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 143 points 5 months ago (13 children)

Or you need to identify those who aren't behaving properly (sickness or other resource intense disability) and should be outcast from the group (something we don't need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do)

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

we should be outcasting all sorts of toxic behaviors instead of putting them in charge.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I do believe there's a happy medium between out-casting and electing, probably even a large amount of medium space.

But that's not what you get in a first past the post system.

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[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 months ago

Actually, tribal humans tend to support people with disabilities, even severe ones. It's only feudal and capitalist societies that treat disabled people with cruelty. It isn't natural.

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[–] t7tis@lemmy.ml 95 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It would be a evolutionary benefit to fear / avoid any person that is behaving strangely in certain distinct ways. Could be a dangerous transmittable disease, i.e. rabies etc.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

It's probably the entire reason people lost their shit over the idea of catching leprosy.

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[–] Entropy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The humanoids we evolved from were at one point, not the only humanoids around. We coexisted with other, different species (neanderthals being an example). Homosapien is just the one that survived.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah this is just leftover racism from a time when racism had a reason to exist.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 5 months ago

Yes. A dead body.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Neanderthals and others existed contemporaneously didn't they...

... but also, so many parts of our brain are needed to do facial recognition that we're prone to seeing faces where there are none...

...so it's possible that what we're on the watch for is other humans trying to ambush us, which means regular people hiding = uncanny valley = fear.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking of the Denisovans

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget Bigfoot, the rake, and skin walkers.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

not to mention el chupacabra

edit: dammit I mentioned him

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[–] Bezzelbob@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Not necessarily fear it's just most of the time today it's used in horror

Back then it was probably used to differentiate Neanderthals

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 52 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Or Lizard people first trying to study us.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Lizard people are a dumb conspiracy!

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[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Well, I didn't vote for them.

[–] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I doubt that premise. Neanderthals looked different, but not uncanny valley. Horror and fear may have been involved sometimes, but so was sex and competition... Neanderthals probably just looked like big chinless people

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

According to commercial genetics testing, I'm more Neanderthal than 90% of other people that used the same major company. My ancestors were into some kinky 👉👌

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This made me look up what a Neanderthal would look like in modern clothing and this was one of the results:

Asmongold?...

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[–] variants@possumpat.io 49 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or the biological need to be afraid of ourselves because if I saw a human standing in my backyard in the shadows I would be as scared as if it were an alien, humans aren't a joke when they want to kill or maim and humans love to kill or maim if they need something you have

[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (6 children)

My brother accidentally cut his foot open with an axe about an hour ago. That's how much humans love to maim. We do it idly as we work.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Our instincts draw from pretty far back in our biological origins as well. The notion of mimiclike predators is pretty damned ancient and likely a factor for very earliest common ancestry.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 15 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Mimiclike predators sound like psychopaths. Which, very much would be a reason we evolved uncanny valley, but they learned to blend in.

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[–] Persen@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Dead bodies probably, as they spread diseases.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We still do. They’re called psychopaths. It’s been a problem for so long that we’ve evolved an instinctual response to it.

[–] The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Have we though? We still vote for them and populate the business rooms with them...

...my theory is different. I think this is evolutionary back to competition with similar species.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (6 children)

"But in general, take my advice, when you meet anything that's going to be Human and isn't yet, or used to be Human once and isn't now, or ought to be Human and isn't, you keep your eyes on it and feel for your hatchet."

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[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago
[–] The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

Back 4 million years the whole world really was a planet of the apes. So in some ways recognising something that wasn't your species, but looked like it might have avoided conflict, loss of territory, loss of food..

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yep and they were called Neanderthals.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

But Homo Sapiens readily breeded with not only the Neanderthals but the Denisovans as well

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Bleachy-teeth people, this means you

Don't grin at me you fucked up freak 😂

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[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Illness, death, and antisocial behavior. All of these were threats we evolved to handle, people who are "a little bit off" in one way or another, who might endanger the group or individual. This, and that our pattern seeking brains don't like it when something doesn't easily fit within an existing schema, even more so if it lies just outside of our existing preconceptions.

Obviously, I can't say that these definitely are the reasons why we experience the uncanny valley, but I think it's probably a better explanation than... Skin walkers? Or whatever else the meme would be implying.

Still, it's a cool premise for a horror story at least.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

The leading theory is Rabies.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I just wanted one funny meme before bed not nightmare fuel but here we go

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, we existed as the same time as other early ape species (which we killed off like the monsters we are), so it makes sense.

[–] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Killed off, but not necessarily by violence.

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[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 months ago

Ancient androids, obviously.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Or it's just that something feels off, fellow human.

On the other hand, maybe because we're a highly social species and some people are just crazy, which you see in their face or behavior.

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