Obligatory what the fuck is wrong with how the US pays service people.
Tipping is for special appreciation, not basic sustenance.
this post was submitted on 01 Jun 2024
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We live in hell, that's what.
The US made it legal to pay tipped employees basically no wage (like pennies an hour). Tipping is stupid but if you don't do it the employee is basically unpaid.
I'd split the difference by just paying them based on my estimation of the time and effort they spent. The cost of the thing I bought should have no bearing. This notion that the tip should be 15/18/20% or whatever of your final bill is idiotic.
The US made it legal to pay tipped employees basically no wage
Not everywhere anymore, California made that shit illegal a year ago and it's fucking great to slap that in the face of every fucking cunt trying to clap me an asshole for not tipping 20% on an $80 bill for someone who couldn't keep my drink filled
That is awesome. Good job California
I feel like that's what the percentage was meant to approximate. Because more people in a party are likely to have a larger bill and will definitely be more work. Of course there are more variables and one constant percentage won't always result in the same reasonable wage for their work.
There's a history lesson filled with sexism and racism there.
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I like how all stores even the shady ones like dollar general now want you to give money to some 'charity' at check out. Like I'm going to help them with some tax dodging scam they are running. I no longer tip anywhere I go. I don't go to the places that force a tip on you.
I used to think this way until someone on lemmy told me it wasn't the case. Those donations are nontaxable - it goes directly to those charities.
And you don't get the tax receipt for them
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The peer pressure based donation for enabling corporate tax evasion is BS. It should be disallowed because all it’s doing is letting big corps not pay their due taxes
on the one hand, tipping is toxic and enables exploitation
on the other hand, i respect the grind and understand life is hard out there for people just trying to get by
I'll usually tip 20% for delivery drivers because going literal MILES to bring me my food is objectively more daunting than crossing a room.
I always tip my pizza delivery driver, but he's also the owner of the business and the guy making the pizza, and the pizza is fucking awesome.
local pizza joints are a t r e a s u r e .
My favorite place, i love their pasta dishes even more than their pies. THEY get the big tips!
I miss mine, they closed down about 4mo after I quit because I couldn't pay my bills anymore, because during covid people had stopped tipping as much, and the people that were tipping more to make up for the other's slack just couldn't tip enough to make it work because they have bills too of course. Now we have some local chain type things but it's not the same quality and instead of $8/hr+tip they pay $5.25/hr+tip out of the store and $7.25 in store, so it sucks for drivers too.
What does he do when multiple people order for delivery at once?
Make as many as'll fit in the oven and then deliver those. He only delivers locally and it usually takes 60 to 90 minutes to arrive, so it's better to pre-order.
Badass, sounds like it's worth the wait
, i respect the grind and understand life is hard out there for people just trying to get by
Exactly, if appropriate I would tip someone even if they’re adequately paid by their employer. Though I think it would make more sense if the minimum wage is raised instead. I also get why some cultures dislike tipping, so I just treat it on a case by case basis
$29.75
10% - Move the decimal. $2.975
Round up - $3.00
Half that for 5% - $1.50
15% - $4.50
Double for 20% - $6.00
Or get rid of tipping.
That's a completely separate situation.
Yes, tipping culture is out of control and needs to be abolished. But screwing over the wait staff or delivery driver currently providing you service will never have any impact on the big wigs that made the decision to play them less than minimum wage.
Why is this so difficult for people?
Pay reasonable tips for reasonable service people paid under minimum wage. Also work with your local politicians to eliminate tipping. Do not withold tips from people working under minimum wage unless you just want to be part of the boot stepping on them.
Why is this so difficult for people?
Because, for the people who refuse to "get it," it isn't actually about exploitation or whatever other lip service they give to make themselves seem magnanimous for not tipping, it's about the fact that they don't want to give the delivery driver a penny and have to lie to you and themselves so they think they're good people. They're not, though. If they were they'd see it like you do, they're just selfish and deep down they know it so they concoct their lies to defer blame from their conscience.
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Euro version:
service was OK - round up to 30€
service was good - give 2€ extra
service was exceptional - give 5€ extra
(doesn't scale with the price of the food)
Italian version:
Pay exactly €29,75 and guard the receipt with your life, or you're in trouble.
I always saw tipping mostly as a way to avoid dealing with change, so now that I pay with card almost everywhere and change is no longer relevant, I like to round it up to neat numbers like 333 or 456 to make it tiny bit easier to enter on the terminal.
For me it’s do the 10% quick math then double. I never tip less than 20% even if someone is not great just because people have shit days in customer service (my field). If they’re great I go up from there and leave a nice message of appreciation. They never hear praise enough.
Plus if you end up going back they won’t forget stellar tips and you will get priority/better seating/treated more like a friend which is always nice. Ex. For work we frequent a great local BBQ place that also serves a rotating selection of local brews. One waitress is amazing and always treats us well. Can’t say the good tips we leave are the reason but I’m sure it doesn’t hurt.
Fuck people that expect and pressure for tips. It’s literally optional.
Pressure your manager instead
In my experience, no one has ever pressured me for a tip. But again, that’s just me so I feel bad if you’ve experienced that
Countless times. I’ve even had a server ask me for a tip before giving me my food.
why is the customer made the butt of the joke here?
Because they took forever to add a $1 tip to the total (as they indicate by saying it takes them a while to do the math)
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People tip pizza guys a dollar? Man, we were tipping $5 back in the 90's. I tip $10-$12 now. The dude just drove to my house and brought me pizza, he deserves some compensation.
compensation... for doing the job he is paid to do... right.
look, if you live at the end of a long shitty dirt road, or maybe the last apartment on the top floor of a 6 story walk up - then they're going above and beyond. Hell yeah, tip more.
Tip to be nice, because times are tough and you have some extra cash.
But don't tip because someone did the bare minimum that they get paid to do anyway.
Don't tip because it's expected. Don't tip if you can't afford it.
you, by simply spending what little you have and can, are helping pay their wage already. You're doing your part. That is: don't feel guilty if you can't or don't tip.
Do feel warm and fuzzy if you can and do tip, though. it's still nice to do :)
Not that I agree with it, but in no time in the 90s did I know of pizza delivery that wasn’t tips-dependent, like restaurants in places. No gas reimbursement or anything at minimum. And this was in Canada where tip culture is dampened compared to the US.
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Don't they get paid by the service that decided to be in the food delivery business?
At Domino's about 7 years ago, we got paid minimum wage, plus I think a dollar per delivery item, (multiple houses on some trips when we were busy counted each order) and then tips on top. That per order bonus I think has gone up since then.
They charged the customer a $3.50 delivery fee though.
There was also a class action suit that showed that the per delivery bonus didn't cover the wear and tear and gas for the delivery, and could push the driver under minimum wage if they didn't get tips.
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They usually get paid minimum wage, and people delivering pizzas for a living typically don't have a whole lot of choices for what they do to make ends meet.
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Agreed, people got mad at me for suggesting literally the same hah ¯_ (ツ)_/¯
Edit: in their defense, I think they objected more to the idea that a delivery person should avoid anyone who doesn’t tip. I get why they’d feel that way, it’s understandable
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Tipping culture aside, how is the US so behind the times on payment systems? Everywhere else you tap on a machine, and if tip is needed you can enter the percent or dollar amount. What is this paper signing bull shit from the 60s?
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