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lack of local accounting means its no longer your operating system, youre now using a perpetually required service from microsoft.
the walled garden is putting the last bricks in place. hope all you windows fans are ...happy... asking ~~apple~~ microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.
It's a real shame. I guess I'll be running Linux now.
I switched to Bazzite not long after the Recall AI announcement, shrinking my Windows partition to leave it for just VR stuff which currently doesn't work well outside of Windows, at least on my system. It's pretty great! Not perfect, but the problems I have on Bazzite are similar enough in quantity and degree to problems I had on Windows that I've basically switched out one set of weird OS quirks for another. The big difference is now I don't have to think about the OS being disrespectful corporate spyware.
Wait, a proprietary OS is someone else's computer?
hope all you windows fans are ...happy... asking apple microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.
It's been this way for decades, really. Apple, Google, MS, etc. Even if they let you use it without an account, they'll literally never stop pressuring you and annoying you into signing into an account.
Apple doesn't actually make it at all difficult to use a Mac or iOS device without an Apple account. You're asked once during setup and that's it. At most there'll be a red dot in Settings>iCloud.
They do, actually. There's a bunch of first party software you can't remove, perpetual notifications you can't clear about setting up iCloud, etc.
There's one notice, and it's in the System Settings app. And it's a little red dot beside the iCloud section. That's not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing, or Even Google's nag to use Chrome across all their Web properties.
You're right about the first-party apps that you can't remove, but it's also not the same as, eg, Edge where those apps are used constantly and your preferences are reset on every update.
On my Mac I set my browser to Firefox in 2018. It's never reverted to Safari, not once, where Windows really wants me to use Edge and goes so far as to not just reset it periodically, but also direct start menu searches and in-app web links to an ms-edge: url instead of using the http handler.
Apple has problems, but this isn't one of them.
Apple doesn't require you to make an Apple ID to use a Mac lol
But apparently you DO need an Apple ID to access an Apple Notes file that was shared to your Android by your crazy ex who doesn't know that without an iPhone you won't be able to read their undoubtedly unhinged, rambling guilt trip. Thanks Apple!
I love how there is an entire group of people who think it’s perfectly normal to “fight” the company that makes the OS they use.
(This message brought to you by the Linux gang.)
Yeah but on the other hand you also have to wrestle with Linux a lot, and personally usually a lot more time wise. It's all tradeoffs and what people care more about.
true, but you're not fighting malice or greed, you're fighting laziness and arrogance. diffeeent vibe.
Fuck Microsoft
Wouldn’t it be possible to buy a new PC, open the box, and return it right after because you cannot set it up without internet?
If enough people do it, may be PC manufacturers will force Microsoft to add offline setups.
Funny you say that, setting it up without internet is one of the few ways left to still be able to create a local account.
If I understand correctly from the article, you have to enter ‘OOBE\BYPASSNRO’ in command prompt during installation to prevent it from asking to connect to internet. If that’s the only way to set up a local account, that’s hardly an accessible option.
There's no clear path from getting the computer out of the box just setting it up without internet. If you call the manufacturer and they know what the hell they're doing they'll walk you through doing the OOBE no internet fix. It just needs to be an option in the damn operating system. The fact that they're hiding it from you is unconscionable.
The antitrust machine hasn't had its scheduled maintenance for a few generations. It's gonna take a little while to spin up.
I’ve been debating for a while to switch windows to Linux and see how well it works for my games, thanks Microsoft for finally pushing me to do it!
Only thing keeping me on windows has been games (all other development use is far easier on Linux); but with the work that happened with Steam Deck, many games are now fully functional on Linux.
Depending on what games you are playing, it should be a breeze. I ditched my windows installation last march and no regrets so far. Most of the games I enjoy run OOB in Linux, but some that I played occasionally are not supported, so I just live without them.
Use shift f10 and edit the registry.... They aren't disabling that until they have a better solution for autopilot.
May not work for home editions...
That dude who predicted Windows 12 being a cloud OS was probably dead on the money.
On a new install, before powering up, make sure you don't start it up with Ethernet plugged in, when you get to the Wi-Fi connection stage hit Ctrl+f10
Type in
oobe\bypassnro
And press enter. The computer will restart and now when you get to the Wi-Fi connection screen you'll have a like that says "I don't have internet".
Shift+F10
oobe\bypassnro
I’m assuming one would still be able to switch to a local account after installation, but you really shouldn’t need to. What a shit show.
That would still require you to create an account, which is the part of the process people object to.
OOBE\BYPASSNRO and fuck Microsoft
That no longer works sadly
Unless I missed something, the article states as follows
Another method of bypassing the account lockdown still exists. You simply have to enter OOBE\BYPASSNRO in the command prompt during the Windows 11 setup process, which allows you to skip the connection to the Internet and thus also the link to a Microsoft account.
Back in the day, using Windows was essentially a long series of fucking around with configurations and trying different workarounds to get things to "go". The actual using of the computer was, in a way, secondary.
Nothing has changed. Many many years ago I bought a used Apple to try it out and was just - astounded at how little I needed to mess with things to get them to do what I wanted. It was all in settings. That's it.
Watching Microsoft leap headfirst into full evil is just like watching the seasons change.
Hm. So are we all the way there to Win 11 not being installable in fully offline machines, or...? Because niche as that application is, it does sound like the start of a use case for a natively compatible Windows alternative from a third party (say, a FreeWin to go with FreeDOS). I know there are or have been some attempts, but... yeah, long term that seems like it would prompt more focus on something like that.
I suppose it's more likely that compatibility layers in other OSs would get there first and more practically, but still. Maybe it's time to move Windows applications from an ecosystem to a standard.
The year of the ReactOS desktop?
On a serious note, I suspect the IOT version doesn't have this requirement.
Linux with wine/proton already works pretty good for running Windows programs and games outside of Windows.
.....aaaand I will never switch to Windows 11.
But then, I'm a hypocrite, because I have to create an account to use Android.
