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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 179 points 5 months ago (57 children)

Ranked Choice Voting! Find your local RCV group and find ways to help get RCV implemented in your city! It’s something that sees opposition from republicans and democrats so you know it’s good.

[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm a fan of STAR voting myself, but anything is better than the first past the post system we have now.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

If Star has traction in your city I say go for it! RCV just seems to have the most momentum.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 125 points 5 months ago (38 children)

It's stunning that each party managed to find a candidate that could lose against the other.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Its not that stunning. In fact, its more common than you'd guess.

Only Ford could lose to Carter. Only Dukakis could lose to Bush. Only Hillary could lose to Trump. Hindsight 20/20. Foresight blind as a fucking bat.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 79 points 5 months ago (40 children)

The existence of Project 2025 makes all of the "which candidate is better?" discussion completely irrelevant. If you support the people that support Project 2025 then you're a bootlicker who wants to end popular representation in the government and replace it with authoritarianism. If you are vocally against the people who oppose Project 2025 then you are collaborating with the enemy.

Any other option is better.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago (24 children)

I think Trump retiring and the Republicans replacing him with a charismatic, young, intelligent christofascist would be devastating for the Democrats (and humanity) right now and I don't know why they don't do it.

For that matter I don't see why Democrats don't replace Biden with a charismatic, young, intelligent social democrat which would be equally devastating for republicans. So who knows with these people.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They don't do it because it doesn't serve them personally. As we have seen time and time again, politicians are mostly griftfers that will flip on a dime and change their moral compass just so that they can benefit from the situation.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (16 children)

Charismatic + Young + Intelligent + Christofascist...

0 results found.

I think Republicans might need to remove one search criterion to make that work.

As for Dems... that might just be AOC? Lol

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[–] Starkstruck@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

I think one of the big things is the MAGA voters vote for Trump and ONLY Trump. They don't turn out for elections without him in it. The Republicans know that without the MAGAs, they're not gonna win the presidential election.

Also this is purely theory but I wouldn't be surprised if Russia gives Trump information he can blackmail Republicans with. I'm sure Russian honeypots have dug up a lot of stuff over the years.

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (25 children)

This is the current state of US politics - it's more about who you're against than who you're for, and I firmly believe this is the reason why no scandals seem to matter anymore.

On the conservative side, they get a steady stream of content telling them how horrible Biden and the Democrats are, so anyone with a heartbeat and an (R) next to their name is fine. It's probably how Trump of all people became the party leader.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Strategic voting is a direct result of first past the post voting; effectively any system that uses FPTP will result in a two party system where your vote gets used against the other person not for your choice.

I’ll continue to shill for ranked choice voting whenever I see any opportunity.

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[–] kromem@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"People voting for watching paint dry instead of poking sticks in their eyes appear to be mostly motivated by avoiding sticks...in their eyes."

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[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 38 points 5 months ago

That was also true in 2020. And in 2016 for Hillary.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I have never whole heartedly supported the Democratic candidate (because I'm far more left than any of them have ever been), but I've always voted for them, because they're far better than the other option. This time they're just so far better than the other option, not because they are any better, but because the other option is so astoundingly worse. So, I guess, welcome to the club.

But I will say, Biden has been more progressive than any other candidate in my lifetime. Again, that's not saying much, but hey, it's better than nothing. He's just killing himself by supporting Israel.

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[–] exanime@lemmy.today 32 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Isn't this the general sad state of democracy? Specially in America and it's 2 party system?

Rarely people get to vote for whom they want, they vote against the one they dislike/fear the most

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 5 months ago (8 children)

“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."

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[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Biden has not been as bad as I expected him to be, but he is out of touch with the average American. Politicians need mandatory retirements. We need someone under the age of 65. But I'll take him over the convicted felon.

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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In other news, water is wet.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (15 children)

Anyone who who is capable of getting themselves made president should on no account be allowed to do the job.

ETA: Anyone downvoting this is not a hoopy frood

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[–] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah no kidding. Why else would anybody vote for the dude?

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would absolutely vote for Biden over any Republican. And most Dems, with the notable exception of Sanders.

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[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (3 children)

He's actually been surprisingly effective at governing. He's low key been the best president we've had in decades.

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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 21 points 5 months ago

No shit. That’s been his whole platform from the beginning.

[–] CaptainKickass@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The only reason I'm voting for him is that he's not trump.

I'm not voting for Biden, I'm voting against trump

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[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Good thing they conducted a poll to figure this out

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[–] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

I thought this was an Onion article at first. Of course most people voting Biden are only doing so because the only other option is convicted felon Donald Trump.

Biden is a loser president in a loser system. But if the option is him or Insurrectionist/Felon/Rapist Donald Trump, it is the option people will vote for.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

This must be some in-depth research to arrive at this conclusion

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