Hezbollah and Hamas flags waved during pro-Palestinian demonstration in New York (today.lorientlejour.com)

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 51 points 3 months ago

American right-wing media Freedom New TV (FNTV) and according to several videos of the rally published by the organizers on the social networks.

Meaning that we could be talking about one or two flags shown through a distorted media lens.

That said, it should be on the demonstrators to ensure people waving such flags get put at the margins and I hope that is what is happening.

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 23 points 3 months ago

I think that any coverage should simply ask organizers to comment.

This is such a propaganda tactic: no one can stop someone from showing up with any flag they want. If the organizers embrace it? Then the criticism is fair game.

But if they say something like 'out of thousands of protesters who share our demand for peace, several brought inflammatory messages that don't represent us', then media has a duty to report that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Organizers are rarely asked to comment by the media during these protests.

The latest Some More News talked about that a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgN3gO0_LLU

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 months ago

Oh, that's cool! I'm excited to check this out. I like their content. I don't love it enough to keep up with it (especially because they're a little long) but I'm interested to hear their take.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

It's an especially good episode in my opinion.

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[-] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

That's usually the argument leveraged against platforms that don't fold to demands to deplatform individuals with reprehensible views.

The good old "You're either with us or against us" spiel is excellent at destroying any nuance.

[-] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

This is the standard that was applied when a few nazi flags showed up at convoy rallies. You either need to reclaim the cause for your protest, or admit that it actually stands for something else and then ask yourself if you want to be part of that.

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 months ago

"A couple of dudes amongst widespread protests across the country have done one reprehensible thing. This means the whole protest is illegitimate. Stop complaining about genocide and go back to work."

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Do other people at the protest say "hey buddy, that's not what we're about"?

Or do they look the other way?

There have been movements in the past where a minority of the movement was antisemitic while the majority of the movement just looked the other way on the antisemitism from the others. It didn't go well for anyone.

The paradox of tolerance. If you tolerate the intolerant in your movement, you're part of an intolerant movement.

[-] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago

Waving terrorist flags in New York City is a good idea hyuk hyuk :>

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Pro Palestinian march...waving hamas flags? Sounds like you're pro hamas really.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The two people waving the two flags? Yeah, seems like it. But you’re painting a whole march based on two people. Which seems super disingenuous and shitty. Which is exactly what this outlet is doing here.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

If one person shows up to a Trump rally with a nazi flag you'd likely be calling the whole group nazis.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Yep pretty much. If they let it stay up definitely.

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[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

But but people here told me they’re just freedom fighters!

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They're not "just" freedom fighters: they ARE freedom fighters, but they are also conservative religious freedom fighters who utilize indiscriminate violence to advance their cause of by any means necessary.

They are not morally upright heroes. I can't support what they did. They are, however, also still freedom fighters. And it makes me very, very angry that their tactics have been successful after non-violence failed in 2018. It shouldn't have come to this.

As Kennedy astutely observed, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable”.

I cannot endorse the violence Hamas employs, but I also understand in such a context why others do. This was an inevitable outcome of extreme political disenfranchisement, and that makes me equally furious at the joint responsibility I see for the atrocities that have resulted.

[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Ok, fair enough

[-] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

That was well put, I don't know why all the downvotes?

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

What do you think freedom fighters are? The fact that they are fighting for freedom does not inherently mean that they support Western values. The West does not have a monopoly on freedom.

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