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China sends aircraft, vessels toward Taiwan days after US arms sale approval
(www.indiatvnews.com)
Fuck off CCP
this post was submitted on 26 Aug 2023
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Fuck the human rights policy of China. Fuck the way they treat uyghurs in their labour camps. Fuck China.
They can keep bluffing, but unless they have some way to overcome that 76% of their fuel is coming from that Indonesian strait. They are at a severe supply and energy disadvantage.
However, they are also racing the clock as more of their economy crumbles away, they will have less resources and money to fight back when things get insane. What doesn't get used now in war, will be used against him in civil war if/when their economy goes bust.
Ramping up for WW2024
If what we have seen from Ukraine moping the floor with russia using our tech from the 90s, there is no chance china has fighting us head on. It'll be bloody but it'll be a very one sided war.
China doesn’t have 90s tech though. They have coordinated drone swarms in the thousands.
I also think it might be a Ukraine is to Russia as Taiwan is to China type of thing.
Hopefully Russia is out of the picture by then.
China doesn’t even have a blue water navy.
An invasion of mainland China would be extremely difficult and costly, but they have no where near the force projection beyond their coast that the US navy does.
A war with China wouldn’t be to take Chinese territory, at least not from a US perspective. It would be to defend Taiwan, which the US would have no problem doing.
The US will just sell Taiwan weapons and training, like Ukraine.
Nah, Taiwan is far too critical to US national security due to the massive number of chips we need from them for all of our military equipment.
We would actually go to full on war over them if needed.
Now, if only the west could put up a coordinated and sustained effort of seeing Ukraine not just survive, but win, that would really send a message to china.
Current Chinese leadership isn't much good at reading messages, they've been sent plenty.
As bad as this sounds it's best to keep limited assistance to Ukraine if it can be helped. How would it look like to an increasingly unhinged Putin, dictator with a nuclear capable ICBM system, when the army of a country they invaded are rolling down the road to Moscow with highly advanced American equipment? There are two positive ways to end the war:
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Ukraine invades Moscow with limited western support giving him less of a justification to send retaliatory missile strikes all over the world.
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Things look so bleak even to the most financially comfortable Russian citizen that his own people turn on him and manage a successful coup before he can escalate things any further.
Ukraine, as far as I'm concerned, is neither interested, nor capable, nor allowed to start a serious invasion of russia. The risk of them suddenly going insane and doing it anyway are next to none.
WW1984 wasn't a good movie, let's see what they can come up with
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan
This is just fear mongering. Taiwan is safe because of years of good economic decisions. They have semiconductor factories. That's why it's valuable. You can't get what makes Taiwan valuable by going to war with them.
Also, most countries don't formally recognize Taiwan. How does Taiwan have airspace if you don't recognize it?
A little internet disclaimer: I'm not pro China. I disagree with nation states as a concept, but let's try and think about what's actually happening here.
If a group of people inside another group of people want to be their own group of people than the new group should be able to split off from the old one without issue.
So (imo) if Taiwan wants to go alone, China has no choice. Taiwan, of course, would find new problems with trade and travel to China, and would be on their own financially and defensively. If that’s something they are confident they can handle, then they should be allowed to.
100%, but that's not what the article is about.
I’m commenting on your comment, and less about the article.