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[-] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 63 points 4 months ago

Ah shit, is this the time line where privacy isn’t needed cause people want better AI?

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

People don't need better AI. People are made to think they need better AI. Other than that yea

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[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 4 points 4 months ago

Losing privacy for convenience has been happening. We use GPS on our smart phones for better directions. We install listening devices to add things to shopping carts and to play music by voice. We install cloud security cameras at home. We accept free WiFi in stores which gives them our cell phone info and our location. We use digital cash instead of physical cash. We buy things online rather than going to the store. Every device, like a toaster, has a MAC address.

At least until Big Tech realizes that hallucinations in generative AI aren't fixable and the whole stock market crashes.

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 months ago

from the video...

I think we need to be very cautious with the AI narrative where we are being lead to confuse mass surveillance with intelligence and by doing so initiate these corporate technologies into the core of our social and governmental institutions.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 months ago

Did they mean "and be doing so insinuate" I wonder? Initiate makes some sense too, just odd phrasing.

Anyway! I'm getting sidetracked lol! Haven't even watched the video yet. Thanks for sharing the quote

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

there was a mental word search, glitch in the matrix moment right at that point - read into that what you will, cuz these days all options are valid.

"insinuate" is absolutely the very best word, but publicly one has to walk the fine line between complicity and hair-on-fire alarm, and so "initiate" came out of her mouth.

for the record, I think we are past the face-melting stage.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah that's relatable. It's so easy to pick apart someone else's words when you're just passively observing, but when it's you in the moment...

[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 30 points 4 months ago

Why is Signal so reliant on Google? It's not even in F-Droid

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

There is a fork on F-Droid that isn't reliant on Google push (it uses Unified Push) called Molly. I donate to both Molly and Signal.

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[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

Signal is using Google Push messaging, but it could be used with websocket. And officially it's not on fdroid because they don't want forks of their app

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago

Yet the Molly fork supports UnifiedPush so I can reuse my connection with mf XMPP server to deliver notification from a server I control. Folks have asked for UnifiedPush or MQTT as an alternative to having multiple persistent socket connections open on your device, but Signal doesn’t seem to care.

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[-] doodledup@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

How would that prevent you from forking the app? F-droid isn't a repository for the code of the app. I don't think this is related at all.

I don't actually know the reason why it's not on F-droid but I assume it has some historical reason. It has never been on F-drroid since Text-secure. Moxy Marlinspike was strictly against it afaik. If somebody has more detail on it, feel free to share it.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

You're not allowed to upload apps with proprietary blobs. Google Push services is a proprietary blob.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Because today if you find a Signal app on Fdroid you're sure that it's nonofficial, on the play store only one app is allowed, the official.

[-] Keineanung@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I'm guessing its not fully open source, but I don't actually know.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

The App is open source, but they include google push services, which is not

[-] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It is fully open-source. The distribution of the application is completely unrelated. You can still read the code and verify the build you're running.

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[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

They are vehemently against self hosting as well.

[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I have yet to meet a person who gives a shit about AI. I have yet to meet a person who has intentionally used AI. It's all marketing bs and a way to mine our data.

[-] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 months ago

I had a classmate that was really exstatic about AI, like he basically believed its the second coming of christ. And then another one who was like "ohh look i can use this to make neat wallpapers". That was about all the resonance i got from my social circles.

[-] hswolf@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I don't like the idea o LLMs everywhere, but I do use chatgpt quite a lot as a point of entrance to any topic that I might not know the existence of yet

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Run a free model local

[-] 31337@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

I use LLMs just about every day. It's better than web-search for certain things, and is useful for some coding tasks. I think they're over-hyped by some people, but they are useful.

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[-] StaySquared@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

How else is AI supposed to grow? It's supposed to observe everything in existence.

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 5 points 4 months ago

Then maybe it shouldn't grow.

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[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I thought she made some very good points, but the quote in the title makes no sense to me.

[-] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I simply took the title of the video. :shrug:

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