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The president often had a weak, raspy voice during his first debate against Trump, in what Democrats had hoped would be a turning point in the race.

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 114 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I'm not in a panic. I knew this. Should he have run again? Hell no. I wish he would have had the courage to call it a day.

That being said, I'm fully willing to endure 4 years of Weekend at Bernie's if it means I won't have to go through the embarrassment of having the orange moron at the helm.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (20 children)

Are you willing to let Trump win though than have Biden step aside? That is what the DNC should be asking themselves. The polls are way to close for Biden to have that poor of a performance. If Democrats are seriously worried about Trump being the end of Democracy then they would not be okay with Biden being the DNC's best choice.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 46 points 6 months ago (22 children)

I think it's to late to change things up. That's the problem, everyone told the DNC this was going to happen and yet they all just kept with Biden.

That being said, I don't think either Trump or Biden are in a state to actually run the country. Their cabinets are going to hold all the power, and I trust Bidens cabinet over Trumps any day.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 months ago (22 children)

Any change no matter if is too late or too inconvenient would be a better change for the DNC than to allow Biden at the top position. Seriously, any other DNC politician would be better than Biden even if they changed right now or in the next few months. All you need is some politician who is about 50 years old to fight Trump every day until the election and the orange menace would suffer a heart attack trying to keep up.

This is insane .... it's almost as if the powers that be want Trump to win and the only way they can ensure that is to put him up against an 80 year old competitor because it is the only candidate he could possibly beat.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Now I'm sad because I remember wishing Bernie had won.

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You and me both, man. He was my guy.

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

We'll need to see the polling in about a week but I haven't seen a performance this bad since Palin. The Democrats may need to go to an open convention.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago

I’m fully willing to endure 4 years of Weekend at Bernie’s if it means I won’t have to go through the embarrassment of having the orange moron at the helm.

DEAR PLEASE GOD someone turn this into comedic satire before the election!!!

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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 70 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (23 children)

So, we've got an old, racist guy who lied through most of his statements and refused to possibly say that he would accept the results of the election vs an old guy with a history of a speech impediment that showed signs of his speech impediment and regularly pointed out the lies spouted off by his convicted felon opponent. Why are the media companies banking Trump again?

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 58 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Biden's performance wasn't an impediment. It was him fumbling and stuttering over his words, forgetting his debate prep and saying nonsensical things. I absolutely do not want Trump to win, but Biden's debate performance in reality was poor. Many Democrats don't want to accept that. It is fine if they want to ignore facts. The truth is the Democrats would be far better off if Kamala or AOC or someone else was running for President, and they are risking way too much despite the facts.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not just a speech impediment, it's a speech impediment in a fucking 81 year old man who shouldn't be dealing with a stressful job in politics. Been around many octogenarians? He did great for someone his age.

If he were up against someone in their 30s or 40s, it would be terrible but, against an old racist nazi who can only seem to make complete statements when they are provably false? Well, I'd still prefer someone else but at least he has the balls to actually say the forbidden words of "you're lying" and he's the only choice that we're allowed to have as infuriating as that is.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Trump is almost the same age and he is a liar but he also was quick enough to immediately use Biden's blunders against him. Pretty much everything Biden said sounded scripted and then he still messed it up. Biden didn't "look" like the smarter candidate. There is enough misinformation out there that if people go searching they'll find sources that support Trump's lies. Trump won for the undecided tonight that watches the debate and uses it to make s decision.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I watched it and this wasn't a stutter. This was a loss of his train of thought, switching topics unexpectedly, and creating needless openings for Trump to talk about things Biden didn't have a good defense for. To be clear his decision making faculties are obviously intact. But this performance was really really bad. Night and day from 4 years ago.

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[–] tearsintherain@leminal.space 52 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

It was dumb just going along with Biden as the nominee, hubris and status quo thinking. Now the Democratic party needs to come up with something to energize the electorate. Scaring people with democracy being on the line, while completely true, isn't gonna do it. Hoping the attacks on reproductive rights will carry them over the finish line is a bad idea. Trying to bring Harris out now into the limelight isn't gonna work. People are tired and struggling. The youth feel betrayed and themselves are struggling. There is no energy coming from up on top. Dems have always sucked at messaging.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

Bernie Sanders would have eaten Trump alive in every debate, including this last one.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

Dem leaders prefer Trump to a real structural progressive economic reform.

The billionaires buy both parties now. Capitalism sucks chunks.

The billionaires of today love the status quo.

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He could energize the electorate by ending the genicide in Palestine, nationalizing the rail industry or Boeing, expanding the Supreme Court and investigating their corruption, or displaying unlimited support for clean energy and dismantling the fossil fuel industry. But I doubt any of that will happen.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago

What a disaster. I can’t remember the last time I saw a decent presidential debate, they all devolve into completely failing to answer the questions and just attacking the opponent. The only thing this new format did was prevent them from constantly talking over the opponent when their time was up.

What the hell happened to Biden? I mean, he’s old…but normally his speaking is far, far better despite his stutter. He could hardly get coherent rebuttals out half the time and had a hard time enunciating his policy goals.

Trump…nothing but a torrent of lies, [insert group] loves me, and “hurr durr you’re stupid, Biden.” But he was able to spew his word salad clearly.

They should have had fact-checkers, but the problem is that trump told so many lies so fast that 75% of the debate would have been the moderators having to correct trump’s bs.

This was embarrassing, to put it mildly. Terrifying to see trump look better than Biden - if you ignore what was actually said.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Legitimately planning how I'm going to weather a Trump presidency after the debate. Unimaginably disheartening.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You could call your congressional representatives asking that they encourage Biden to step aside for a better candidate.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Pretty sure after tonight my congressional representative is thrilled that Biden is the one running.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (13 children)

that was the worst fucking thing i've seen on tv in my life. holy shit that was depressing. yet it feels incredibly vindicating seeing every single media outlet openly say 'that was a disaster, he should probably be out'. that was an absolute failure. rescheduling the debate would look better than that shit.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People who aren't the VBNMW crowd saw the writing on the wall for Biden. This debate only helped Trump even tho Trump literally didn't answer anything. That is Trump's style all insults or jokes and no substance. Not sure what happens here it is way too late to switch to anyone else. We're cooked.

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[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I watched about 30 minutes, gotta say Trump was all over the map and not answering questions. Biden was raspy and stuttered, like he does , but he actually answered the questions. Trumps answer about what he would do about the fentanyl crisis was 'I bought a dog'

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yep, that was so much worse than I ever imagined it was going to be.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 10 points 6 months ago

I expected nothing and I was still disappointed.

[–] Seraph@fedia.io 24 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Guess we didn't learn the RGB lesson? Oh well, repeating our mistakes it is!

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The only realistic person who would replace Biden is Kamala Harris, and I don't think people would vote for her.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago (6 children)

She's not Trump. People would vote for her.

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[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Still better than the Traitorapist.

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[–] bquintb@midwest.social 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He seems like he's doing a-ok today. Wtf???where was this guy last night?? https://youtu.be/eWylhLOPk8c?si=E5uZIHS15XQ_TKma

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[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (5 children)

They did this to themselves. Total strategy failure, holding this debate so early in the race. Also trusting CNN's moderator to follow all the rules and fact check both candidates live.

Why do liberals fail at strategy? I suspect it's due to their tendency to spend more time thinking about how to go about things than on what things they should go about. Valuing the means at the expense of the ends, yet again.

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[–] ProIsh@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds good. I will enthusiastically vote for Biden. Let's go.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Can you spread that enthusiasm to 82 million more people?

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