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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by barsoap@lemm.ee to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
 

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[–] ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io 86 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The teacher's meaning is clear, which is the purpose of language. Mickey's just being a grammar nazi.

[–] bisby@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Both sides are being unbearably obstinate here.

The teacher's meaning is clear and the kid should just answer what is being asked, not what is being said. So the kid is in the wrong. If you're smart enough to be this clever, just answer the question.

The teacher says "You are wrong, failed" when the kid is technically correct, instead of clarifying the intent of the question. So the teacher is in the wrong. "Clever, but you know what I meant" solves the problem. "You get an A in math and an F in interpreting language"

On the flip side, I had a cousin who had a question on a test: "What is the largest SI prefix" ... he answered "yotta" (which at the time was the largest)... And got it wrong. because the "correct" answer was "mega". Because that was the largest the class had learned about at the time, and the teacher was very inflexible on this; they acknowledged that yotta was the largest, but my cousin had learned about it outside of class, so it couldn't be an acceptable answer. The teacher couldn't possibly fathom marking "mega" right for students who had only context from the classroom and also marking "yotta" right for students who had done independent research. No, the question was IMPLIED to be "what is the largest SI prefix [that we have covered in class]" and anything else was wrong.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

The teacher couldn’t possibly fathom marking “mega” right for students who had only context from the classroom and also marking “yotta” right for students who had done independent research.

That is child abuse. Literally. The way my teachers worked, presumably because they learned how to deal with the situation when actually studying pedagogics (a thing we require of teachers here) is to give an extra point because you want to encourage kids to figure things out on their own.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Actually we don't know whether 2+3 equals to 3+2 without seeing the definition of the + operator

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If

1 x 0 = 0

And

2 x 0 = 0

Then 1 = 2.

And this folks is why you don’t hire “math teachers” because he was a successful football coach. It took him way too long to realize this is why we don’t divide by zero, (more than a week, actually.)

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Or signed integers because overflow is undefined. It could do the left-hand computation in two's complement and the right hand in sign-magnitude, leading to different results. Or, as it's undefined, it could brew you some coffee and serve it with an aspirin.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago

C doesn't even guarantee a == a

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's decidedly unfun and headhurty for those of us less mathemstically inclined. Also so deep into the theoretical weeds that I'm not sure that "fact" applies..

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

One night I dreamt about the new C standard. It was a tome of ten thousand pages, in dense, tiny, font, three columns of text on each page, and it was all headings and sub-headings interspersed with nothing but either "undefined" or "implementation-defined".

[–] benjhm@sopuli.xyz 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As a small kid I learned i = i +1, before any maths teacher told me it couldn't.

[–] gentooer@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As a physicist, this is correct if I is sufficiently large

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

That's like asking a fusion researcher whether the reactor needs to reach 100 million Celsius or Kelvin, isn't it.

[–] abcd@feddit.de 2 points 4 months ago

As a software developer this is a 100%* correct operation.

*From a logical perspective in C-like pseudocode. In reality you may have to add a „;“, a line break or other line delimiters if someone from Stackoverflow reads this

[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He could ask for clarification and discuss word definitions if the situation indicates a misunderstanding.

[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 5 points 4 months ago

It also equals 25÷5, 1+4, 36-31

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don’t get the “equality and reduction” part. Can someone explain?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewriting

...if that's too heady do note that if you have a heap of four marshmallows and a heap of five marshmallows then that's the same as having a heap of five marshmallows and a heap of four marshmallows. To have a heap of nine marshmallows, you first have to turn them into a single heap. That's reducing the number of heaps from two to one and that's a hand-wavy way to justify the term.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

There really are few good math instructors out there. They tend to be those who have intuitions about the subject who can’t interact with people who weren’t born with them.

[–] sk@forums.utsukta.org 2 points 4 months ago
[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Feeling nervous then giving shrek head?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Breakfast of champions!