Unregulated capitalism already ruined the internet.
this post was submitted on 30 Jun 2024
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There's still some life left in it to be ruined.
Niche communities ftw. Tbh I kinda hope Lemmy stays relatively small.
Literally a slight video edit made a particular group think Biden was chasing after some invisible chair during D-Day. For a particular group of folks it won't matter about AI, they can't even detect objectively provable false information that was done with the most minor of functions a video editor provides. Not even when the proof is literally a two second Google search for the YouTube clip of the original footage.
AI isn't ruining the Internet, the Internet was already ruined by people whose mind wasn't ready for the ability for the entire world to speak to every other person on the Internet.
I think back to that one episode in The Orville when they're talking about how they gave some backass society a food replicator and they killed each other within five years. That's the Internet right now. We are still in the baby phase of the Internet and there are still a ton of people who just can not wrap their mind fully around the tool that's in front of them. For some, it's like I gave a five year old a PSRL-1 and said, don't hurt yourself and called it done.
AI isn't going to hurt people with critical thinking skills, it's going to hurt people who never had critical thinking skills and those people are already rabid fiends running rampant on the Internet like there's no tomorrow.
AI is helping people to ruin the internet who were otherwise not smart enough to do so.
Give everyone a gun and suddenly it gets easier to murder people. Imagine if you gave everyone a button to launch the nukes, how long before the human race eradicated itself?
What if we give everyone a vibrating massage gun?
Without having watched the video, my knee jerk reaction is the internet was ruined a long time ago, the LLMs are another symptom of a greater issue.
(How do I fit in with human commenters... Oh yeah!)
Amen! 🙏
Weird, because I'm 99℅ video content is what ruined the fucking internet
What is up with you % symbol? Why is something missing on the right side of the top circle?
‰?
℅ (care of)
Not the per mille. Your symbol was "c / o" or "c / 0"
He’s got 99 care-ofs but a percentage ain’t one.
No, what has ruined the internet are bloody snowflakes and censorship. Bring back rotten.com and Rate My Poo!
The object of your ire is advertisers, if that's your problem.
No, my problem is snowflakes and governments.
No wonder you people are so hell bent on ignoring climate change, you're waging a war on winter!
Wut?
I'll say, that CGI abomination doesn't even have boobs.
Its throat and intestines are one in the same.
Did you ever get a chance to check out r/testtubebabes back in the day?
It was some bananas shit.
He goes into the details of the most upvoted Google Gemini fails and then branches out to how text/image/audio generative AI is being used on Facebook, Instagram to inflate traffic, as well as how you can actually earn some income by farming reactions on twitter now (with the blue checkmark).
There's a section on how adobe is selling AI generated images with their stock photos, but you can tell this video might be a little rushed because he comes to the conclusion that people are paying $80 for one of these images, when in reality the $80 adobe plan gives you 40 images (so about $2 per stock image). That or he knows this statement is misleading, but makes it anyway because it will drive his own reactions up (oh the irony). https://web.archive.org/web/20240701131247/https://stock.adobe.com/plans
Link to timestamp in video:
https://youtu.be/UShsgCOzER4&t=894s
With adobe he touches on their updated ToS that state how any images uploaded to Adobe can be used to train their own generative image model.
The Netflix section talks about the "What Jennifer Did" documentary which used AI generated images and passed them off as real (or at least didn't mention that the images were fake).
Spotify: How audio generative AI is being used to create music and is being published on there now as well as their failed
Edit: as well as their failed "projects/features" (car accessory, exclusive podcasts, etc.)
Multiple times throughout the video he pushes the theory that most of these companies are also using AI generated content to drive engagement on their own site (or to earn income without needing to pay any artists).
He definitely focuses only on the worst ways that generative AI can be used without touching on any realistic takes from the other side (just the extreme takes from the other side with statements like "AI music will replace the soulless crappy music that's being released now... and it will be better and have more soul!").
Still worth a watch, he brings up a ton of valid points about the market being oversaturated with AI generated products.
He definitely focuses only on the worst ways that generative AI can be used without touching on any realistic takes from the other side
There just aren't that many... generative models are good at creating lots of garbage fast, this is mostly applicable for putting a lot of garbage on the internet in the hopes it somehow makes you money.
Legitimately a more pointless technology than bitcoin.
I would counter that there are many good use cases that go beyond the scope of what was mentioned in the video (his concerns are absolutely legitimate).
For example:
Nvidia's DLSS for gamers. This provides a decent boost to FPS while maintaining a good quality picture. They use multiple models such as motion prediction, interpreting between the frames what the image should look like, and upscaling. These models are (most likely) trained on the video games themselves which is why you want to get the latest driver updates because they include updates to those models. And, yes, the upscaling and interpolation models here are generative models as they are filling in frames with new pictures with details that aren't there from the source, and then enlarging the picture and filling in details in a way that traditional means of upscaling cannot.
Brainstorming/writer's block:
For generative text models, I think these have to be used carefully, and treated as if they're interns that have a knowledge in a very broad range of subjects. They're great for brainstorming ideas and for writer's block, but their output needs to be verified for accuracy and the output shouldn't be trusted or used directly in most cases.
Entertainment:
They're also excellent for entertainment purposes, for example, check out this GLaDOS project:
https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1csnexs/local_glados_now_running_on_windows_11_rtx_2060/
Which is combining a generative text (LLM) model with a generative audio (text to speech) model as well as a few other models.
Green screen tools:
We could use the sodium vapor process to create training material for a model that can quickly and accurately handle processing green screens for video production:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuIVsNzqDk
Creating avatars for user accounts on websites.
Creating interesting QR codes that actually work:
https://civitai.com/models/111006/qr-code-monster
So, in the end, I think that there are some incredible uses for generative AI that go beyond just "creating garbage fast", that don't cause problems in the way that this video is describing (and those problems he describes are definitely valid).
DLSS
Sure, I'll give you that stuff like that is pretty cool, pretty niche though.
Writer's block
Don't like it for this purely because LLMs are pretty much cultural poison.
Entertainment
If you are entertained by this stuff for longer than 15 minutes you can try jangling keys in front of your face as a cheaper alternative.
Creating avatars
Yea if you like to be represented by an ugly plagiarised blob.
Green screen
No opinion on how viable or useful this may be as I don't really use green screens.
So basically, the pros of generative models are stuff that makes you go "cool I guess..." for 15 minutes and the cons are creativity and cool shit on the internet being drowned out by an oversaturation of idiots trying to make a quick buck.
I'm not usually one for these types of videos but this one had me laughing pretty hard throughout.
i think it's important remember the web and the internet are two different things. humans just made a choice to centralize a originally a decentralized system. after being incentivize by the growth phase of the venture now the culling phase is here and they are extracting that wealth. stuff like gemini. shows we can go back and do it right the next time. The internet is just there be it port 80 or some other port.
can we bring back old school forms they were the best.
Forums were so good. They got murdered by facebook. I swear a lot of people don't really know what the internet is. I was dating a girl once who was mind blown that I don't have social media. Like every time it came up, he world was shook again. One day i was waiting for her to be ready and i was browsing the internet. She looked at me and wondered what i was doing. Like what could someone possibly look at if it's not social media?
I think Reddit killed forums more than Facebook did.
im mean technically lemmy counts as social media i guess since it's a feed but it's the closest things we have to an old school forum. Just idea that you care so much about a topic you create a site to talk about it was powerful. People don't realize it's a big difference between a land grab for subreddits or even communities on here and running a server. startrek.website is the closest thing since they have very focused communities.
It's like match making and running a gaming sever back in the day. it was this weird hybrid of a public game and playing with friends. there was a TFC server i played with the same people and along with them but never knew them or joined a clan in mechwarrior 2 and would battle other clans i never knew any of them outside this one thing. It was a natural filter for jerks and cheaters. now it's ether play with friends or play alone.