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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 77 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If the media can get a presidential candidate to drop out just by repeatedly asking him to then why the fuck aren’t they calling for Trump to step down?

Because they’re full of shit. That’s why.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 19 points 4 months ago

this is what gets me. Even barring the insurrection itself his unwillingness to accept his loss and not cooperating with the handover. Its funny I remember bush junior was known for not working with the clinton administration on the handover coming in which caused them to be unaware of the al-kaida threat and then trump won't prep the incoming administration. so they are resistant acting properly both coming and going. Myabe the republican party should drop out of running canidates in presidential elections due to incompetence.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What?

You think Biden is just as likely to put himself over the country and listen to reason...

As trump is?

Look. I don't think Biden is a good candidate, but even I give him more fucking credit than that

Do you really believe Biden is as selfish and egotistical as trump?

That's a pretty hot take even post debate...

And BTW, it's not just "the media". It's "the media" that has been defending him for four years, political experts, and even his own party

https://apnews.com/article/biden-doggett-2024-election-98c3bd8c4138245e7ef8f79d621268e8

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

The difference is Biden might be able to be convinced to put the fate of the nation over his own position in office. Trump has no such concerns to appeal to.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Biden also reportedly stressed that he was apologetic for his debate performance but told supporters it was "critical" to beat Trump in November. Polling has shown that the candidates are neck and neck, even after Thursday's debate in which Biden's demeanor sparked concern among Democrats.

One of the few things I agree with Biden on...

Beating trump is the most important thing, and Biden looks like he might not be up to it.

He just refuses to step aside, because it's not about beating trump to him, it's about him beating trump.

And it's insane to put it on an 81 year that keeps sundowning.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Aside from stepping aside, which is risky let's all admit - though risky is also staying in - I jokingly, though somewhat firmly believe, that all Biden has to do to see his ratings spike and completely manipulate people is go fucking bananas. Just lean hard into Dark Brandon. Campaign like a motherfucker. Throw out shots left, right, and center. Hop on a couple big stages full energy for two hours.

Basically: All his campaign has to do is twist the narrative. It'd probably work too, though having the idea and accomplishing it are two entirely different monsters. Biden may not be up to acting this piece well enough to sell it. If he did though, I feel he'd come out the other side in a stronger position.

Due to my own biases, I can't think of anyone else who'd be able to go up against a name like Trump. He won't step on anymore debate stages. He won't play fair. Recognition is, I think, very important right now.

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[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (4 children)

OP is a tagged trump supporter

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

From the article:

Biden did make several trips in the weeks leading up to the debate. On June 13, the president joined other leaders for the Group of Seven summit in Apulia, Italy. Two days later, he flew to Los Angeles for a celebrity-filled fundraiser alongside former President Barack Obama, where his campaign said he raised at least $28 million, per a report from Politico.

Reuters reported that Biden headed to Camp David on June 21 to begin debate prep six days before he took the stage. White House aides who traveled with the president told Reuters that Biden was "in a good mood" on his way to prepare.

So, let me get this straight. Two-ish weeks before the debate, he travelled to Europe to visit our allies for two days. Then he visits LA for a day. Then, a week before the debate, he goes to Camp David to prepare. And that's the strenuous schedule that made him almost fall asleep on stage? And that's supposed to make me feel better? I read another article where it went into a little more detail and said that they didn't even start debate prep until 11 am each day at Camp David, and included scheduled time for an afternoon nap, so it's not exactly like they were working him like a rented mule. This makes it seem so much worse, imo. The president has to do a lot more strenuous stuff than debates, and if he's worthless for weeks after two days of travel, that doesn't bode well for the coming campaign season.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

It's kind of sad, but we have to temper expectations on both of the candidates. These two both hit retirement age over a decade ago and we're trying to put them in potentially the most stressful job in the nation.

  • Hostilities were mostly over, but these two were technically alive during World War 2.
  • The first meeting of the United Nations was after these two were born.
  • The current incarnation of India as a country is younger than these two.
  • They're both older than NATO.
  • We only had 48 states when these two were born.
  • These two were already out of high school when Martin Luther King delivered his speech.

I could just keep going forever on these. I am not sure that this is the job for anyone so far removed from their prime.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

said that they didn’t even start debate prep until 11 am each day at Camp David

Do we know what he was doing before 11am? He has other duties besides preparing for the debate. While probably his most important immediate task, he still needs to take briefings on things like the wars in Ukraine and Gaza, the consequences of recent SCOTUS decisions, and the dumbass shit that Trump said.

I agree that this doesn't make me feel better about him, but I don't think that starting debate prep at 11am and taking an afternoon nap means that Biden was slacking off. It may just mean that he's got other things to worry about.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

That's fair. I'm more addressing a narrative that emerged within 48hrs of the debate that the debate prep team irresponsibly overworked Biden

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[–] cyd@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

His trips to Europe were two weeks before the debate...

Anyway, I thought they were blaming a cold and/or being over-prepared...

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

His team is in shambles. It’s a fucking disgrace. It’ll cost us the Republic.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your comment reminds me of a comment one of my undergrad profs said once, which was something like "no one in Rome on September 4, 476 AD looked at each other and said 'Holy shit! This is The Fall of Rome!"

If Biden loses and a second Trump admin enacts all the shit we're worried about, I think future historians will move the date of The Fall of the U.S. a lot further back.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Republic died when the Supreme Cunts decreed that dubya won. That is what gave us the traitor john roberts and citizens united, which was how putin likely won. Brandon can fix this by taking extraordinary measures granted to him by that very same traitor. But he won’t, because he’s a fucking fool. Best hope is he dies in the next few months. Along with the other traitor, trump.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's what they get for holding the debate during nap time.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Fucking hell, he’s toast. Replace him or we’ll get trump.

[–] charles@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Replace him and we'll get Trump

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Anyone calling to replace him with no fucking plan is hoping for exactly that.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Your binary thinking isn’t helping you at all. Check my comment history and tell me I want trump.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There's only one way you're not getting Trump, and that's by voting for Biden and making sure as many other people do too. Complaining that you don't like your choices, while a valid and understandable complaint, isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point in the election cycle.

So when people tell you that "you want Trump", it's not necessarily that they think you're an actual Trump supporter. They're saying that you're asking for a series of events that would undoubtedly hand the presidency to Trump, and now in order to oppose Fascism we also have to oppose you, because you stand in the way of the Fascist losing the election. It's easier to group you in with everyone else carrying water for Trump than to logically separate you just because your motivations aren't pro-fascism, but rather self-destructive idealism.

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

To us, it feels like you're all being idealists and thinking that everyone thinks like you. News flash: they don't. The average American will look at Biden and either decide not to vote or vote for the other guy.

I don't care where you decide to group us, but please try to understand there are people trying to win this election and keep fascism from overtaking this country and those people might have a different approach that is worth considering.

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[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

That’s the “only way”??? Are you sure?!

People calling for him to step aside are desperate for something to happen as soon as possible so that people have as much time as possible to rally behind the next candidate.

The longer this gets drawn out the higher the chance that Trump gets elected.

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[–] Omega_Man@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

These two comments sum up the dilemma

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[–] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Oh well that makes it so much better.

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