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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 74 points 4 months ago (4 children)

That's only one of the two mass shootings today.

But there were 7 yesterday, and 7 the day before.

AMERICA -- THAT'S SIXTEEN SHOOTINGS IN 3 DAYS, killing 14 and wounding 78 others. THREE DAYS.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago (30 children)

The issue is that a lot of the “mass shootings” are not terror incidents like the school shootings we’ve all heard about.

Take the Philly one, for instance. It was covered in my local media and I still don’t quite get what happened. It sounded like a fight miles away ended up in a gunfight in South Philly.

The type of gun violence that really reverberates in the USA is the school shooting type of incident. It’s a lone gunman who has no relation to the victims.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

It's always too soon to talk about guns after a mass shooting and there's always mass shootings. It works out well for the NRA.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

US has 43.1 gun deaths per 1m with some states having more than 100. Ukraine has 131 gun deaths per 1m during active war. Yeah...

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 5 points 4 months ago

But that's because the good guys don't have enough guns just yet!

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I initially clicked the link to see if the suspect used a "bump" stock, or AR-15, only to slowly realize, Florence KY is right outside of Covington, just south of Cincinnati, and I have a bunch of family there.

Gun rights and regulations, the arguments and drama and bullshit, all pale in comparison to the loss of a loved one.

Guns don't only do one thing. Sure, they kill people. But they also destroy families. They make kids grow up without fathers, make parents bury their children.

I hope my loved ones are safe. I wish I didn't have to worry about my family and I being shot for nothing everyday.

[–] Devdogg@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Good lord, who the fuck downvotes this sort of stuff??!?

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (73 children)

Any gun nut feel like arguing for insanity that are US gun laws?

All you need to do is ignore science and reality and every other country outsider of the US and be convinced that undiagnosed schizophrenics being able to buy a shedload of semi-automatic weapons is necessary for democracy.

All I need to do is remind you that there's not a single piece of study that supports any of the arguments of the gun nutters.

(Also, just because it seems to matter to these nuts, I started shooting at 12 and have handled everything from old officer's pistols to shotguns to modern assault rifles, machine guns, grenades, mines, and even AA guns. Shooting is fun, yeah, but having fun isn't more important than making sure children don't have to live under the constant threat of their fellow pupils pulling out a semi-auto with a bump-stock.)

Edit after three days: yeah, not a Single scientific study of any sort from the gun nuts, but the usual "teenagers aren't kids and we don't actually have any issues and I'm not reading some study, muh rights, just a gang problem" etc etc etc etc

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

And until the day comes when exactly that has no chance of ever happening again, minorities should keep strapped.

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The shooter was a convicted felon. What law do you suppose would've prevented this?

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One that would have prevented him from getting his hands on a firearm.

If he's a felon, he shouldn't have been able to possess a gun. Did someone sell him a gun? Did someone let him borrow their gun? Did he steal it from someone who didn't store it securely in a gun safe?

Write the laws so that the person responsible for the felon having a gun can be convicted of murder for the people killed with that gun. Make the liability for owning and selling guns so strict that you would have to be an idiot not to take every precaution to protect yourself from fault.

Because this won't stop unless something changes, and we can't just sit on our hands and pretend it was nobody's fault every time it happens. If we're going to make laws forbidding felons from owning guns, we better start treating anyone who enables felon to have a gun as accomplices in any crimes committed with the gun, without exception. No protections for guns stores or private sellers, just actual enforcement of laws prohibiting felons from possessing firearms.

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And here lies the problem. There are a ton of gun laws on the books already, but the enforcement of them is the problem. Adding more laws isn't going to change that.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I love it when people are like "the current set of laws is difficult to enforce, but adjusting the language of the law to make it more enforceable is NOT the answer", and then they just shrug it off like there's no solution.

Better laws do solve the issue. As I said, this man got his gun from somebody, and that somebody isn't suspect numero uno right now, so we need laws to change that.

If the law isn't serving us, the law ought to be changed.

Unless you have an alternative plan to offer, you're really just saying "do nothing", which you are welcome to do, but personally I would like to see less violence in the world.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Maybe one that removes all guns entirely. Other than that, not much.

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

I was at the UCSB shooting in 2014. I remember the surreal sound of gunshots. They sounded like nothing I would expect. So many lives and families were destroyed that day. The years later, a bar in my community was shot up, destroying even more lives.

I'm sad how often these occurrences are and that we've gone blind to them.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago

We don't have a gun problem, I promise.

[–] root@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

So fucking sad

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