Are we, realistically, doomed to see a Le Pen presidency in 2027? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 3 months ago by borschtisgarbo@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml

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I am asking this because of the ever increasing support from the bourgeoisie, as the contradictions withing the french bourgeois class due to the fall of their neo-colonial empire and the decay of western hegemony. In 2027 Le Pen will frame herself as the true opposition to the current state of things as the NPF libs and Macronists inevitably fail to resolve any of their current problems.

Besides the PCRF, all of the major communist/socialist parties are social fascists, leaving the working class with no reliable party to stand by against the rise of fascism.

So, are we doomed to see a fascist Le Pen ruling France by 2027?

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[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 months ago

Oh it's definitely going to happen, the social democrat "left" disregard the economy like its their job (it is their job).

Unless there is some major effort to revitalize national industry, the economic situation will only get worse and it will lead to the far-right.

[-] Vampire@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

No. Anything can happen in three years.

"The line has been trending up" is not a prediction that the line will go up.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

Me in 2007: “in 2009 [x financial company] will be on top of the market, right?” 🤞

[-] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Imo it's going to happen

I still have hope for a secret Stalin card in the new popular front's hand that would play but honestly that would be an absolute miracle

[-] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago

Sadly NPF cannot and will not agree on anything because it's a big bag of contradictions with a liberal majority.

[-] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Didn't the popular front get a lot of votes this last elections? Which might signal some possibility of putting some strong opposition

[-] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 months ago

Problem is, the Popular Front has a big chunck that belongs to the "Socialist Party" which traumatized everyone by winning the 2014 presidency and :

Doing a right wing budget policy
Doing a right wing worker's rights policy
Doing a right wing mass surveillance policy
Naming the biggest Zionist in town as prime minister
Naming literally Macron minister of the economy

You can imagine how thin the ice is for this alliance

[-] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Sure, but still there is a chance of it working well enough to prevent le pen, its not by any stretch a certainty but might be a possibility

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Just as revolution is built, imperialism&colonialism turned inward is also built. As imperialism and colonialism are themselves built. That the conditions develop toward making such a thing more favorable or unfavorable to being built does not make it inevitable.

Cop City in the US is an example of this. They're trying to build a police force that will no doubt be used against the citizens, given everything we know about how US police operate.

So I would say, look for what the fascists are trying to build in France. What organizations do they have, who are they targeting for recruitment (such as weaponizing the youth), what physical force are they building or maintaining. I know the conditions won't be identical to the US, but things still have to be built by someone. "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun", as Mao said.

What I'm kind of trying to get at here is to look at: 1) how can they reach the point of obtaining that power and 2) what can they do with it, materially.

And in the same way, what can be done to organize against it and build an alternative.

Hope that makes sense.