*please note i deeply value and respect the vegan movement. i am just critical of how humorously it precipitates in online spaces, particularly this one. :)

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[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 97 points 4 months ago (4 children)

it is especially frustrating coming from a person who would die if they just stopped eating meat (eating disorder), I have mentioned this online and gotten responses from these people saying that they think it would be better for me to starve to death than to eat meat. it makes me depressed to know that some people want me dead

I am glad that people are able to go vegan but some of you go into a moralistic argument and act like everyone who eats meat is glad about it and gets off on torturing animals

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

I'm a vegan, and fuck those people.

I've got a medical condition that meant I had to take it fairly slowly just it be sure my body wasn't going to literally fall apart when I went vegan, luckily I'm doing well (in a few ways I'm actually much better off now, though I'm still scared of falling apart). Medical conditions are valid as hell for not going vegan, I wasn't aware of how an eating disorder could prevent it but I've read a fair bit online now, so thankyou for sharing.

One of the scariest moments of my life was when my friends and I were publically assaulted by a pair of very large vegan men who didn't like that we weren't vegan. I was vego at the time but sure as hell wasn't going to tell them, people who act like that are an absolute disgrace and make me ashamed to be vegan. Veganism to me comes from a deep sense of empathy, if you can't feel empathy for other people then you're not a vegan as far as I'm concerned.

[–] Omega_Man@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm just imaging gangs of large vegan men attacking delis. Where the hell do you live? Lol

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 4 months ago

obviously this doesn't work for everyone, but this is why i'm such a big proponent of meat alternatives

having stuff like pea protein nuggets fortified with vitamin B12 and whatever else is an actually practical way to reduce meat consumption, if we make it possible to replace meat and barely notice that you've done so then everyone but the meat industry wins, which is even more of a win for the rest of us.

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[–] Makeshift@sh.itjust.works 56 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I personally love cheesebreather, bloodmouth, and milk-drinker.

Bonus points to milk-drinker because that’s not even a term made by vegans to call people coward babies. Play Skyrim and you’ll hear it all over the place!

Carnist doesn’t count because it’s not technically an insult. It’s just a name for someone that practices carnism. Carnism IS terrible, but the purpose of the word is no different than Christian to Christianity.

It’s hilarious that carnists get so butthurt about being called what they are though so I enjoy that part.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I personally love cheesebreather, bloodmouth, and milk-drinker.

see i just couldn’t keep a straight face if you tried to say those while making eye contact 😭😭

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[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Carnist seems to imply that they eat ONLY meat though. They're not carnivores, they're omnivores. It's on the same level as using the terms pro-abortion and pro-life to describe the two sides of that debate. This kind of name calling of an out group is not too far removed from all the wacky names flat-earthers give to all the rest of us just living here on the globe not being wack-a-doos.

Using the term butthurt is some straight up 90s era homophobia too. Nice.

[–] gwen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

genuinely curious, how is 'butthurt' 90s homophobia?

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[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 4 months ago

That could be carnivore, carnist means they follow carnism, which is the ethical framework that justifies human subjugation and exploitation of non-human animals

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism

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[–] amotio@lemmy.world 56 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I get vegancirclejerk posts in my feed and in most cases I am not sure if these posts are serious or just making fun of vegans. Most of the time it looks like troll posts. It's more like a meat-hate cult.

[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Its a circlejerk, the whole idea is to troll

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Me every time a militant vegan says "carnist":

[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've never interpreted that as an attempt at an insult, what word do you think is more fitting?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Omnivore, maybe? 🤷

But yeah, pretending that eating meat is an ism IS an insult when coming from an evangelical vegan who considers it morally reprehensible lol

[–] alx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"carnist" has a different meaning than omnivore. It’s used for people who actively defend what they think is their right to consume flesh.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Just like how evangelical vegans actively assert what they think is their right to control the diets and other lifestyle choices of adult humans who haven't asked them to? 🙄

[–] alx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 4 months ago (13 children)

basically the same way we assert the right to tell people to stop using ai, to stop being racist, sexist, transphobic, using planes or heavy cars, giving money to fascists…

chosing to view animals as resources is not about diet, it’s about power over sentient beings and hierarchy of lives based on species.

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[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's quite telling that you're ready to say "control" to describe people arguing that you shouldn't use animals as resources, but not to describe what happens to animals. Or if you would use it to describe what happens to animals, that you think nothing untoward of it. You know what I mean? Either controlling is, as you imply, inadmissable and you therefore become vegan because you mustn't control animals, or controlling is sometimes admissable and you purport carnism.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also since when is open exchange of ideas and concerns equated with control?

Am I trying to control you if I suggest that you not leave your tap running in California because fresh water is a precious resource in drought-plagued land?

Am I trying to control you if I suggest that you reduce your plastic consumption because we have a major microplastic crisis so severe that human babies are being born with plastic already in their body?

Am I trying to control you if I point out that the modern meat industry is ecologically unsustainable, so you're going to have to switch to being vegetarian sooner or later since the meat production will literally collapse itself, so you may as well start now before it's a global crisis?

If I suggest that you not hit yourself in the head with a hammer, is that me trying to control you, or is that just an act of very basic concern for your well being? And if hitting yourself in the head with a hammer becomes trendy, am I trying to control everyone if I suggest that we shouldn't be doing that because brain injuries will make us dumber as a society?

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (15 children)

Some things are so horrible and evil that it's difficult to ridicule them, it requires a lot of creativity.

Carnism isn't one, carnism is an academic term, and carnist just means "a proponent of carnism" (it may be in some dictionaries already).

https://www.carnismdebunked.com/

Deal with it, meatflakes.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 40 points 4 months ago

bro said meatflakes 🤣 say it again

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[–] Fleur__@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's true and cringe, you should still go vegan though

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[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

~~Not a vegan, but you're an asshole. People recognize a genuine problem with an industry that contributes massively to climate change, antibiotic resistance, and environmental destruction, and you're mocking them? That's some South Park level shittyness/stupidity. Maybe one day you'll realize vegans have a point, but you probably won't own up to how much harm your attitude caused.~~

~~GTFO. You aren't welcome here.~~

Edit: thank you for editing the post. It really wasn't clear that it was meant to mock a shitty subset of vegans when you first posted it rather than the entire movement. I 100% agree that those people can be snobbish dicks.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

when on earth did i say i wasn’t vegan or disagreed with them :) i simply think the words are objectively very funny

edit: but taking your criticism to heart, ive just now edited the meme to be less acerbic and to better reflect my intention. thank you for sharing your thoughts. i don’t mean to be hurtful, just shining a light on the silly stuff in the world.

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Surely this will make more people take vegans seriously!

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Not a vegan

Definitely a vegan lol

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[–] Clent@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The meme is about this type response. Hilarious.

Veganism does cause intellectual deficiencies. Did you forget to take your supplements?

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 40 points 4 months ago (6 children)

“The meme is about this type response”

no it’s not.

personal attack against their intelligence

not cool. you should consider logging onto the internet and being kind to people.

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[–] Incogni@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Your response isn't any better, to be honest. Yes, there is a certain risk of a negative impact on cognitive performance related to a large and long-time B12 or iron deficiency. But there is a large difference between "you have to take supplements to be healthy" and a blanket claim of "veganism does cause intellectual deficiencies", especially considering most vegans supplement.

Side note: the B12 in factory farmed meat is also supplemented to those animals, otherwise their meat wouldn't contain it, being produced under those conditions. One can only hope all farmers actually do this

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[–] arisunz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

first time i heard someone using the term carnists it was being used as an insult and i was so confused because "wait why are vegans mad at carnivals now?"

[–] vanderbilt@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

I once had a fling with a vegan girl who referred to me as a “carnie”, intending it to be a jab at me. Having worked in a carnival for several years I found it hilarious she tried to make it an insult.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess I don't see the posts you're referencing.

Also, I think you meant participates, not precipitates.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

no i mean precipitates, it’s one of my favorite words

e: a synonym would be “manifests” or “incarnates”

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Wow, I had no idea my known definition of precipitate was so low down the list of its meanings. Thanks!

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

and thank you for letting me flex my favorite word :)

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Reddit had some vegan communities that were about recipes and food-porn shots without constantly talking shit about people who ever eat anything non-vegan.

Lemmy... has some vegan communities.

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[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hey, at least I'm not one of those weirdos who drinks stolen breast milk

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I buy mine.

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Awww they're not hurting no one...

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

exactly 😂😂😂😂

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You misunderstand.

I get the fun and appeal of being a little mean, but you're punching down innit? It feels weird to call out a group that's not hurting anyone.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

i call out groups all the time when they do funny stuff

marvel fans aren’t hurting anyone either but i often make fun of them :) i wouldn’t personally call that punching down but if you must, feel free i guess

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