Funny how quickly liberals will jump into the right's arms just so they won't need to hurt the interests of their rich owners by entering a coalition with the left.
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Centrists are just right-wingers at the end of the day.
I can't find the interview, but a week or so ago, a Democrat congressman admitted that Joe Biden didn't gain the Democrat nomination in 2020 because he was the best choice to beat Donald Trump. He won the nomination because he was the best choice to beat Bernie Sanders.
There are genuine, good-faith moderate centrist voters, but at the higher levels of government, there aren't any good-faith, genuine moderate centrist politicians. They work for their wealthy donors, and they know it.
Edit: Found it, quote is at ~7:20
I try not to get vitriolic but I fucking hate the DNC. They slanted things towards Clinton in 2016 and we got Trump. They slanted things towards Biden in 2020 and we’re now in a truly unimaginable spot trying to just keep a vague democracy thing going. The country is in such bad straits— really, the world— all to screw over one guy just because he said socialism.
Far right ideology is rising shockingly quickly since Trump brought it to the west. Perhaps I am naive, but I believe that Bernie’s policies would have calmed the brewing storm of far right fury. Politicians could scream all they want about it, but Medicare is so objectively better that I think enough lower class right-wingers would’ve loved it. Like the guys who got their loans forgiven and were like “oh shit an actual benefit, if it’s for me I guess it’s not so bad”
Definitely interested to see that article if you can track it down.
I'm not surprised one bit
Wow. Just wow. I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm nonetheless amazed that they'd rather flee into the arms of the far right fascists than try to work with the left. Incredible.
Not far right, just right. But yeah unfortunately not a surprise.
Well, the small remains of the right just fractured themselves during this election over working with the far right, so the margins are pretty small on the right of Macron's deputy's.
Does anyone have an alternative source?Politico Europe is owned by Axel Springer SE, and Axel Springer was apparently like Germany's Murdoch.
I don't trust Politico Europe either.
Here's coverage from the Guardian. It was a big story that was widely covered so it shouldn't be hard to find another source if you want one.
I understand the concern about their sale but the conclusion that they aren't reliable isn't supported by evidence as far I can tell. Per the included link in the post, they haven't failed a fact check in the last 5 years -- and they were sold to Axel Springer in late 2021. MBFC has reviewed them multiple times since the acquisition. Politico, also acquired by Axel Springer, was rated "Leans Left" in blind bias reviews by AllSides both before and after the acquisition, so it doesn't appear to have changed their editorial bias much either. I can't find any evidence of a shift rightward or away from factual reporting.
Thanks for the info.
My concern is less about the reliability of the provided info and more the bias of the voice/language being used, and the choice of which facts get reported on. To me, this Politico article reads as rather sympathetic to the right wing.
Ultimately I don't think "unbiased" reporting truly exists, it'd be better if journalists (and their editors/employers) were transparent about conflicts of interest, like in scientific publications (even though it's not like that's likely to happen, so the reality is that anyone seeking such info has to find it out by themself). Not to mention how the left-right spectrum is pretty subjective and vague.
So what was the point of that alliance, exactly? Macron isn't willing to govern with his partners, duely elected by the people. He wants to dictate to the masses, his own will, believing himself to be above all. This is why the fascists got as far as they have in the first place. After his party did right thing to stop them, Macron is going right back to the politics that is handing France to the fascists on a silver platter.
When the left finally understands compromise, we shall save the human race about 50 years too late.../s?
You chose the worst example to illustrate this. The left aligned and agreed on an ambitious list of reforms in record time, and they beat the far-right because of it. The biggest party in the leftist coalition withdrew a lot of candidates to keep the far-right out of power, and succeeded.
A left-wing alliance with Macron is impossible. If the left is supposed to do politics like right-wingers, what is even the point?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The two political groups put together an ad-hoc alliance to reelect Yaël Braun-Pivet as head of the French National Assembly, the fourth highest-ranking official in France.
The vote was widely seen as a test to see who could work together in France’s fractured parliament to name a future prime minister.
In combining their forces, the centrists and the center right seized political momentum while also delivering a stunning blow to their rivals further to the left.
The dramatic vote came just 11 days after the New Popular Front (NFP), a broad alliance of left-wing parties, secured a surprise victory in this summer’s snap election, winning the most seats but falling far short of an outright majority.
The conservatives have publicly rejected the prospect of an outright coalition with the pro-Macron camp, but they have steadily signaled their openness to finding common ground on policy — putting forward a “legislative package” focused on policies aimed at “better recognizing work and restoring authority.”
The alliance’s bickering and infighting prevented it from rallying behind a single candidate for prime minister, and even agreeing on Chassaigne — a congenial and well-respected parliamentarian — required negotiations that lasted until the day before the vote.
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