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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 102 points 3 months ago

"Tree" isn't a biological definition. It's a descriptive term for "a tall plant with at least one rigid central trunk." Which means that anything that looks like a tree is probably a tree, regardless of species.

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 months ago
[-] cicadagen@ani.social 12 points 3 months ago

Ayy, welcome to the tree club!

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[-] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

We welcome you to tree-hood, my fellow arbor

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 96 points 3 months ago
[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 35 points 3 months ago

No such thing as a tree? So you mean all those binary trees I've been inverting have been a lie? My whole world is shattered.

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 20 points 3 months ago

Indeed, it simply is not a phylogenetic categorization but a physio-ecological one. Tree, like shrub, liana, herbaceous, woody/non-woody are all terms solely used to place plants into functional groups based on how they grow. None of these has to do with their taxonomy.

So the question is, what is a tree and is having secondary growth necessary to be one? Because monocots, like palms are, don't have secondary growth, they use some workarounds. But why should that matter in the definition of a tree? I don't know. So yeah, a coconut palm should be considered a tree. But it hasn't got to do with phylogenetics (like explained in the article you linked).

Also, millennia ago there have been vast forests of lycopods!! Just imagine huge trees that are actually spikemosses. So why shouldn't a palm not be a tree?

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago

Of plants native to the Canary Islands, wood independently evolved at least 38 times!

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You forgot about the myth of vegetables.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Except that yes there is. It's just not a scientific term. Same with fish.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 9 points 3 months ago
[-] GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz 21 points 3 months ago

A local park ranger I know likes to remark that our state tree is a grass. (I'm in Florida.)

But I'd say that's also inaccurate. IMO, grasses are in the family Poaceae, and palms are in the family Arecaceae. I guess one could remark that our state tree is a commelinid...but I don't think tourists would get as much of a kick out of that.

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 10 points 3 months ago

Typical trees belong to a group of plants called dicots

Whaaaat? Swiftly ignoring all gymnosperms? The temperate zones are full of trees that aren't dicots, or even angiosperms! Focusing on some biological traits that aren't crucial to the definition of a tree sounds like the author already likes their neat categories and wants to retroactively justify them...

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago
[-] criitz@reddthat.com 5 points 3 months ago

Neat read, thanks

[-] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There's no widely-accepted scientific definition of a tree.

##PeopleCorrectingPeopleIncorrectly

[-] dannoffs@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago

This is a reminder that there is no universally accepted botanical definition of tree. It is also a reminder that usage supersedes definition, so pointing out that coconut palm trees aren't "trees" makes you both annoying and wrong.

[-] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

The definition of tree exists within the context of all that came before it? ๐ŸŒด

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[-] Downcount@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago
[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 46 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Conifers aren't trees by this definition. It seems to completely ignore gymnosperms and even misclassified a couple as dicots like sequoias and junipers.

We need to stop looking for a scientifically coherent category for a tree and ,like fish, embrace the true, intuitive, childlike definition of it as just a form, a trunk with leaves at the top.

[-] GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz 13 points 3 months ago

How many social credit points do I lose if I refer to bamboo products as "wood" outside of botany nerd circles?

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[-] ctenidium@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Trees" have secondary growth while "palms" have primary growth. At least that is what I have been told in dendrology lectures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_growth

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[-] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

From the coco palm family!

[-] GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz 8 points 3 months ago

๐ŸŽต Ya ya ya ya ya ๐ŸŽต

[-] juliebean@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago

it looks like a tree and quacks like a tree though.

[-] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Ironically, in this case, that literally means it's a tree

[-] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago

Trees are the plant version of crabs.

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿฅฅ๐Ÿน

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

It's probably going to be political since it's wrong.

The coconut tree (Cocos nucifera) is a member of the palm tree family (Arecaceae) and the only living species of the genus Cocos. The term "coconut" (or the archaic "cocoanut") can refer to the whole coconut palm, the seed, or the fruit, which botanically is a drupe, not a nut. They are ubiquitous in coastal tropical regions and are a cultural icon of the tropics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

I'm off to edit that wiki, the tree is a bit of a misnomer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecaceae

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

I see a fight coming your way in the talk section, lol. Good luck.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

Okay, and raspberries aren't technically berries at all, but aggregate fruits. In other words, so the fuck what? When you say 'coconut tree', everyone knows what plant you're referring to.

[-] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago
[-] dannoffs@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago
[-] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

๐Ÿ˜” now you've gone too far.

[-] dannoffs@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

According to OP's definition:

Woody โœ…

Secondary growth (feathers) โœ…

Not a monocot โœ…

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[-] GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Time to post one of my favorite songs:

https://youtu.be/PKQPey6L42M

("Da Coconut Nut", by Ryan Cayabyab. This version is probably the one performed by his group, Smokey Mountain.)

This song reminds us that the coconut is not a nut; it is the fruit of the cocopalm.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Da palm grows da coconut and turns da election around

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

I have literature right here that says otherwise.

Ahem..

"A told B, and B told C, I'll beat you to the top of the coconut tree."

[-] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

You can tell it's an Aspen from the way it is

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[-] Vampire@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

I disagree.

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