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Proton.me adds self-custody Bitcoin wallet feature (proton.me)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by makeasnek@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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For those of you using Proton services to protect your privacy, a new feature is being rolled out which is a self-custody Bitcoin wallet. If you have a proton e-mail address, you can now send and receive Bitcoin automatically. This is in tradition with their long-standing policy of accepting Bitcoin payments for their services.

A few key points to know:

  • You and only you have access to the Bitcoin, it is a self-custody wallet. You are not dependent on proton's cooperation to access your funds and they do not hold onto the funds for you.
  • Proton automatically translates e-mail addresses to Bitcoin addresses. This means you can send/receive BTC to/from any Proton user by just knowing their e-mail address
  • Proton does not support Bitcoin lightning. This means transactions will take an average of 10 minutes for an average fee of 75c. Hopefully they will add lightning in the future so that can drop to under a second for pennies in fees. Lightning would also enhance privacy
  • Note that using Bitcoin is pseudonymous. Using it privately and anonymously requires some effort.
  • Proton has also put together a good primer on Bitcoin here.

from their blog post:

Early in our journey, we experienced first-hand what it’s like being cut off from the financial system and at the mercy of large banks and institutions — an ordeal that affects millions of people across the globe. In the summer of 2014, as the original Proton Mail crowdfunding campaign was in progress, Proton had a near-death experience when PayPal froze our funds, questioned whether encryption was legal, and whether Proton had government approval to encrypt emails.

Fortunately, in that instance PayPal returned the blocked funds, and Proton was able to start the journey that we’ve been on for the past decade. However, that dangerous moment has always stayed in our minds, and we still keep a proportion of Proton’s financial reserves in Bitcoin.

Having experienced firsthand the unreliability of the traditional financial sector, building Proton Wallet is an important strategic move to make Proton more resilient and independent in the future. By enabling us and the entire Proton community to more easily adopt means of payment that deliver on the promise of financial freedom for all, we better insulate Proton from the risks posed by traditional finance.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not Monero equals not worth it. If you're still using Bitcoin in today's world, after all the issues with mixing and the high fees, you're just crazy.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean I use both, but most of my bitcoin transactions are either buying monero or buying services where privacy doesn't matter (eg buying an international airline ticket that already requires my passport data and other PII) and where they don't accept anything other than btc.

There's still good use cases for it (bitcoin is still more secure than fiat), but obviously a self-described privacy service should roll-out monero support before bitcoin support.

And their UI should have lots of warnings informing the user about the privacy risks of using bitcoin. Whereas this announcement doesn't even have one warning?!?

[–] uzi@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, it has proprietary or non-free depndencies. There are other libre bitcoin wallets.

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Am I missing something? "Like all our services, Proton Wallet is open source so all of our security claims can be checked by the public to enhance security. We have also published the Proton Wallet security model so you can understand how Proton Wallet protects both privacy and security."

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

https://github.com/ProtonWallet/andromeda - "The andromeda libraries aims to provide logical blocks to build a privacy-focused, cross-platform, self-custody Bitcoin and Lightning wallet, integrated in Proton's ecosystem."

License: GPLv3

https://github.com/ProtonWallet/flutter-app - "Proton Wallet application."

I see no license here.

[–] uzi@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nothing from Proton is available on F-Droid without anti-features. In Settings after turning off all anti-features, do a search for proton and there is no apps listed.

[–] corvus@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't mean it is not FOSS, there are many anti features not related to not being FOSS. Newpipe for example is FOSS but has anti features just because it connects to YouTube which is non free.

[–] uzi@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which proves my point. Proton won't publish their server source code, so I don't have blind trust in any Proton service, including Protonmail.

For Proton Wallet, there are free/libre wallet alternatives without anti features.

[–] corvus@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Connecting to a non free site (anti feature) doesn't mean having proprietary or non free dependencies (being non FOSS), which is what you stated, but OK, you don't trust proton proprietary services. I assume you don't see youtube videos for the same reason, any FOSS privacy app or frontend will have that anti feature too.

[–] uzi@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

I don't view using a FOSS frontend equating to logging into an account on a server running proprietary code. Using NewPipe is one thing, but if it was possible,, using NewPipe o login to Google account is another.

For example I refuse to use Proton VPN, I use Riseup VPN because the server for Riseup is open source.

In my own opinion, I believe Protonmail not publishing email server source code and publishing Protonmail app source code is stopping it from having a massively larger popularity.

OpenBSD is proof that security can be achieved through engineering open source code that is standards or protocol compliant and not by depending on proprietary code.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 4 points 3 months ago

https://github.com/ProtonWallet/WebClients - "Monorepo hosting the proton web clients."

License: GPLv3

[–] uzi@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Yes. Nothing from Proton is available in F-Drioid after disabling anti-features.

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Should've done monero

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Would people who down voted you say why? I don't think you know what the downvote button is for

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

I commented a similar sentiment on another thread on proton wallet and got mostly upvotes, people just get wacky with the votes lol https://slrpnk.net/comment/10012391