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FBI Is Not Fully Convinced Trump Was Struck by a Bullet (www.thedailybeast.com)

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FBI Director Christopher Wray revealed during a marathon testimony on Wednesday that investigators still do not know if former President Donald Trump was grazed by a bullet or a piece of shrapnel during his attempted assassination.

Twice during the hours-long session, Wray told lawmakers that the FBI was still working to determine what exactly struck the former president on his right ear during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. “My understanding is that either it [a bullet] or some shrapnel is what grazed his ear,” Wray told Rep. Kevin Kiley (R-CA).

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 47 points 3 months ago

Oh boy, please be a shrapnel. 🥹

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago

If we didn't have a picture of a bullet in the air, I'd suspect he had a sharp object in his pocket so he could cut it himself when he grabbed his ear.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Not even that. We never saw the wound. Just ear with something that looked like it might be blood. If that was an act, he didn't need to cut himself at all.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

If it was an act, it was an incredibly callous one, considering three bystanders were shot, and one died.

Being incredibly callous is on-brand for him. But taking the risk, however small, that he himself would be wounded by accident (or by conspiracy) is against everything he has ever demonstrated.

[-] IAmLamp@fedia.io 14 points 3 months ago

Considering how many appearances he made on WWF/WWE events, he’s well aware of how this works in the wrestling ring.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If the dementia hasn’t already dissolved that part of his brain anyway.

[-] Gaspar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

I'd be willing to bet that's the only part of his brain left that's intact.

[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

I don't understand why this is news worthy. Like even if they prove it wasn't a bullet, what does this change?

[-] anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 months ago

Because he and many lazy outlets are reporting he was definitely shot or hit by a bullet.

This is newsworthy because it’s clarifying a misconception that is going around and is being amplified by the trump team because it makes him seem more “badass” and “hard to kill”.

[-] Waltzy@feddit.uk 12 points 3 months ago

Aye, it doesn't really feel relevant. He was injured as a result of gunfire.

[-] anonymous111@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

You are right. It is a sensationalist headline that people will click on (or not click on and use to justify their existing view/conspiracy theory).

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago

Omg they used secret high tech frozen poop projectiles to leave no trace.

[-] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

He wasn’t shot, he was shat

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

It left him skidmarked for life

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

He was shart

[-] suction@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

You know if this was a Democrat candidate, they’d have to launch 20 new Fox News channels to fit in all the conspiracy theories about how this was fake…why aren’t we treating them the same?

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

For someone as narcissistic as Trump, the fact there isn’t a 5 hour documentary and 600 media posts detailing his time in hospital, the state of his ear, T-shirts with his X-ray and MRi and ultrasound of his ear, and 3d print of the ear as a collectible wall mount etc is what is actually odd about the whole thing.

He’s making money off of two perfect once in a lifetime photo shots though.

[+] Voytrekk@lemmy.world -41 points 3 months ago

This feels like a click baity title. They know he was shot, not some conspiracy of something else.

[-] AngryishHumanoid@reddthat.com 68 points 3 months ago

No, the question is not whether he was shot at, or if he has a wound. The question is was his wound caused by a bullet or glass shrapnel.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

or if he has a wound

Are there any actual pictures of the wound? Closest I've seen is an ear with blood on it, but none that show actual tissue damage.

[Tinfoil hat]As performative as the first pump n' shit was, and as utterly devoid of morality as Trump is, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the assassination attempt was some sketchy shit like the gunman being paid to pop a few shots at a couple expendable cultists behind Trump, so that Trump could dive behind the podium where none of the cameras were pointed, pull a packet of red shit from his pocket and smash it onto his ear, then raise into his cheesey fucking first pump stance in the middle of a bunch of panicked security guards. ...and backstab whatever deal was initially made with the gunman by just killing that loose end on the spot.[/Tinfoil hat]

^Theory completely debunked if anyone's got a pic from that event that shows an actual chunk missing from his ear. A few folks have mentioned some of the articles included such pics, but so far I've come up empty - just pics of a 'blood'y ear at the event, and a bandaged ear after.

[-] Fester@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago

My theory is that [Tinfoil hat] there was a ketchup packet lodged in the rolls of his neck from lunch that day, and it popped when he was startled by the gunshots. He was unaware that he lost the condiment there, and it was unintentional. He genuinely thought it was blood until it trickled into his mouth, after which he raised his fist in relief, yelling “Heinz Heinz Heinz” to the crowd. [/Tinfoil hat]

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 months ago

He would have yelled Heinz repeatedly at the audience anyway.

Heinz Shitler

Add it to that list if nicknames.

[-] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Reposting from an earlier comment I made:

Best we have right now, far as I can find:

Expand for bloody ear photo

My favorite tinfoil hat theory is that one of the secret service members had a razor palmed, which they then used to slice his ear when they took him to ground. I'm not saying I believe that, of course, but it seems the most plausible to me.

Here's a photo of the same ear taken sometime on or before Jan 2019.

Edit to add: Armchair analysis. Maybe it sorta looks like some of the helix (both tubercle and crus sides) flesh is missing from a graze, here?

Expand for a bloody ear photo with lines drawn on it

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

That's definitely the best I've seen so far. Wish we had more angles - looking straight on, it's hard to assess if chunks are missing, or if that's just how the red shit dried.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago

I don't get how the blood managed to streak all the way down his face so quickly but then appears to have stopped bleeding by the time this photo was taken. Blood follows gravity so if it was gushing enough to reach his chins during the few moments he was kneeling down behind the podium, why isn't it now draining down toward his shoulder?

[-] Pheonixdown@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

It is was probably transferred from his ear to chin/cheek by something like the floor, his hand or SS. That'd explain why there isn't a trail and it appears blotchy.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Very thin blood vessels in the ears, so they'll bleed a bit quickly, but then also congeal rather fast.

I couldn't care less about the facts of this, but bleeding from ears is quite like that, yea

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I saw reports right after the incident that a bullet hit Trump's teleprompter and sent broken glass flying, a shard of of which hit Trump's ear. No idea where this "info" came from if even now, the FBI says it doesn't know. You'd think they'd have done enough forensics to find out by now, but whatever. Is there even a shattered teleprompter?

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

Yea, but I don't think this is worth an article - it might be illuminative to secret service tactics or inform how campaign stands should be constructed but Trump was injured as a result of a gun shot. The article posing this question was probably completely unnecessary and was absolutely needlessly sensationalized.

[-] EeeDawg101@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

I think it's worthy of an article because I remember hearing initially, right after the shooting, that it wasn't quite known if he was actually hit by a bullet or shrapnel. This tells me this is still the case and there hasn't been a definitive answer given.

I wonder if the doctors who treated him know? Is it possible to determine based on the injury if it was a bullet vs shrapnel?

[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There's video footage and a known location of the spot the guy shot from.

All this hesitation is telling me is that it's confirmed it was not a bullet but Trump likes saying it is and they don't feel like pushing against it.

As far as I can tell from the video there's not a moment where a bullet coming from his far right (heh) could have grazed his ear (that's particoularly close to his skull) without piercing his skull. He never turns that much to the right.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

I don't think so, unless they found a piece of glass in his ear. Word on the street is a teleprompter, but I don't know if there's even any evidence of that. Or of anything else being hit and becoming shrapnel. That would really be the way to tell.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Ya save it for the documentary or deep dive into the whole shebang

[-] whome@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 3 months ago

Agreed

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