To be clear here, if Harris does not win, Trump will. Those are your two choices. You can choose to vote for Harris or you court disaster. There is no viable 3rd choice.

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There is no viable 3rd choice.

I'm choosing 3rd party anyway. Saying there's no viable third choice is just a way to keep the broken system intact.

The only reason a third choice isn’t viable is because we’ve been conditioned to believe it can’t be, and that’s exactly what the duopoly wants us to think.

Real change happens when we stop accepting the status quo and start supporting alternatives that challenge the power structure.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago

Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. If the forces of democracy take decisive, terroristic action against the reaction from the very beginning, the reactionary influence in the election will already have been destroyed.

Karl Marx 1850

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure Marx lived in a country with a parliamentary system. Not a two-party, first past the post system.

If you don't understand what the difference is with regards to election outcomes, then I don't know what to tell you.

It's absurd to pretend that the situation he's referring to is anything close to what's happening now.

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.

YES!!!!

That is fucking beautiful. And it's incredible to see that what was true in 1850 is still just as true today. Thank you for that! Love it.

I'm gonna have to start using parts of that quote in some of my replies to the Lemmy bullies and people who are spreading discontent under the guise of just helping out their party, but who are really just protecting their capitalistic advantages under a corrupt duopoly.

Many on Lemmy seem to not don't want change or are they are afraid to speak up for it. Because of Republican AND Democrat bullies.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

W E B DeBois in 1956

In 1956, I shall not go to the polls. I have not registered. I believe that democracy has so far disappeared in the United States that no "two evils" exist. There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say. There is no third party. On the Presidential ballot in a few states (seventeen in 1952), a "Socialist" Party will appear. Few will hear its appeal because it will have almost no opportunity to take part in the campaign and explain its platform. If a voter organizes or advocates a real third-party movement, he may be accused of seeking to overthrow this government by "force and violence." Anything he advocates by way of significant reform will be called "Communist" and will of necessity be Communist in the sense that it must advocate such things as government ownership of the means of production; government in business; the limitation of private profit; social medicine, government housing and federal aid to education; the total abolition of race bias; and the welfare state. These things are on every Communist program; these things are the aim of socialism. Any American who advocates them today, no matter how sincerely, stands in danger of losing his job, surrendering his social status and perhaps landing in jail. The witnesses against him may be liars or insane or criminals. These witnesses need give no proof for their charges and may not even be known or appear in person. They may be in the pay of the United States Government. A.D.A.'s and "Liberals" are not third parties; they seek to act as tails to kites. But since the kites are self-propelled and radar-controlled, tails are quite superfluous and rather silly.

They use the same tactics for decades and liberals fall for them every single time

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

another winning post from the downvote king.

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

another winning post from the downvote king.

So I'll keep posting. Thanks!

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

More like the bad faith actor king. Good job helping Republicans. You can feign ignorance but the proof is in the pudding.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 16 points 2 months ago

Muslim voters are nevertheless poised to exact revenge on the VP at the ballot box

What a mature read of politics. The US is so fucked. Thinking along these lines Harris will get the final revenge when Trump wins and Israel actually completes the genocide because of it. Genius.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

Harris and Stein tied at 29%, with 11% of the cohort’s support going to Donald Trump

She's tied...for first place among Muslim voters. And Trump is getting almost 2/3rds less.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah if anything the story is stein is stomping Trump

[-] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Trump wants to nuke Gaza, pave over the remains and build one of his shitty hotels there. He would also deport Muslims and send those who don’t leave to internment camps. Explain to me how both sides are the same.

[+] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -10 points 2 months ago

Trump's vile ideas are monstrous, no doubt, but let’s not pretend the Democrats are clean when they continue to fund and support military actions that devastate lives in Gaza and beyond.

Both sides perpetuate violence and oppression in their own ways—whether it's through blatant aggression or complicit support.

The difference lies in the packaging, not the substance.

It's my opinion that it really is the same system, two faces, both indifferent to the real suffering they cause.

You disagree, and I respect your right to do that. As I'm sure you respect mine.

[-] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Who says the Dems are clean? Most leftists I know openly acknowledge she's so far from perfect but they'd still take her over Trump.

Are you really telling me Trump and Harris are the exact same? Like give me a break. Why is Harris 3x more popular than Trump among Muslim voters?

[-] FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

Dear Muslims, here let me just give you a gun pointing straight back to you. Might as well just commit self suicide with this "revenge" vote you are throwing away.

Eh, Trump or Harris, in the end of the day it will be the same. Gaza will be wiped out but at least one won't come after you here in the US, but again eh. Sign your own death warrant.

[-] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I bet you feel the same about women voting for Harris too. Right? Cuz she's totally the same as Trump right?

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