this post was submitted on 01 Sep 2024
252 points (97.7% liked)

World News

48356 readers
1978 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 109 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] ravhall@discuss.online 36 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I mean, third time’s the charm……. Right? 😳

[–] sugartits@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Eh. Germany weren't the colossal dickheads in WWI that they were in WWII. Frankly most of Europe had a part to play in sparking the first one.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

WW1 was just a massive dick measuring contest.

[–] slumlordthanatos@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

A bunch of inbred royal fucks beefing over turf.

Which aptly describes basically every war in European history, honestly.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kaiser Wilhelm was:

Expansionist and irredentist

Fervently anti-democracy

Rabidly anti-semitic

Trying to secure overseas colonies to exploit for resources

The Third Reich was the Second Reich without a noble class to fuck things up with inbreeding. It's hardly surprising, a culture can't change completely in the span of a couple decades.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (8 children)

That's pretty much the European median for the time.

load more comments (8 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As long as the trains running time...

[–] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 10 months ago

This time, the populists want to abolish trains.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Funny thing being, the nazis weren't good at running the infrastructure.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, third time's the charm..... Reich?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] socsa@piefed.social 72 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mom, can we get Nazis?

No we have Nazis at home.

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'd much rather have the idiot kind of nazis than the 1930s kind.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

How the hell do you think it starts‽ In the 20s with complete idiot nazis

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 58 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Our "Verfassungsschutz": "Watch out! They plan to overthrow the current system!!"

AfD voter: "Yeah, but the migrants"

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I'd go even further. The AfD threatens the current (democratic) system. Most AfD voters vote for them for this exact reason. They want to "enact revenge" on a system they feel left behind by IMO.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"democracy doesn't let me be racist enough, we should get rid of it"
~average AfD voter

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago

"Them rich folks of the AfD keep telling me that democracy made me poor and jobless. They are also telling me that they'll bring back jobs, by removing all them immigrants. Guess I'll vote for them."

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Who should I vote for after unhinged leoliberal capitalism made my life worse?

  • Socialists: Vote for me, so I can tax the rich and spend money on programs to help workers like you
  • Fascist: Vote for me, I promise to deport some brown people (but in reality I will just cut the taxes of rich people and be friendly with Russia)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Just proves again that we should deport AfD voters instead

[–] Schorsch@feddit.org 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm really worried that the Verfassungsschutz talks and talks about the dangers the AfD poses, but they seemingly won't actually do anything and I suspect by now it's too late to prohibit them.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it sucks. A party can't be forbidden in Germany if it's not "relevant enough"... But when they are relevant, it might be too late.

[–] Schorsch@feddit.org 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They have been "relevant enough" for a very long time now.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 8 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but the Verfassungsschutz was sabotaged by Maaßen half of the time.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

And AFD won't "send migrants back" because that would remove their favorite Boogeyman. Expect don't symbolic tinkering and not that much more, otherwise they have to start all over again with another minority to blame. It won't improve these people's economic situation. EU exit and austerity is back on the menu with AFD.

[–] mods_mum@lemmy.today 49 points 10 months ago (5 children)

People in the comments attacking AfD voters as racists and rightly. However, no one wakes up one day and decide to be a racist from now on. There are reasons why these extremists gain political support and they draw it from a pool of people of which some wouldn't even consider voting for them a few years ago. This shift reflects a social sentiment that everyone seems to be ignoring.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 30 points 10 months ago

No one is ignoring the global sentiment. We get it, capitalists are fucking everything to squeeze every cent out of us and a few idiots get conned into blaming brown people instead.

[–] helmet91@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Sooo they turn into racist slowly? That's still not cool.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Fair point, I think we know it, just our politicians keep ignoring it. The elites backing moderate governments would rather see fascists on the throne, than to have a democratic, true leftist government.

Socialism endangers capitalism, fascism doesn’t.

The solution is definitely not ridicule and mocking, but it’s also not appeasing fascists. Anybody who wants to destroy democracy, has no place in a democracy. In the short term, we should ensure fascist don’t get to power by whatever means necessary, and in mid-/long term, we should enact social changes that decrease the support of these radicals.

Tbh I’m not sure this is possible peacefully (or at all), and maybe another world war will happen - though not because of Germany, more likely China/Rusia, maybe US if things go bad.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

So, no one bothers to learn lessons from history any more...? Hmmm.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Issue is, they just change a few bits around to fool the people that are uneducated about the subject. I'm from Hungary, and one history teacher of mine taught me that Nazis did things for the sake of being evil, one other said "it was a punishment for the Jews killing Jesus". Once you associate bigotry with being evil, any dumb rationale can make it look not evil in the eyes of these people.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

it was a punishment for the Jews killing Jesus

This is peak logic. Glorify Jesus becasue "he died for our sins" but demonize Jews for killing him... Bitch, if they didn't kill him you lack key aspect of your religion!

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They think history is based and also lies and also rad as hell and should definitely be repeated. But that bad mustache man should win this time.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (6 children)

It can't be as bad as it sounds, right?

Right?

Fuck.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

They probably aren’t literally Hitler. But there is a lot of damage and awful shit they can do in between reasonable and Hitler. And they are much further towards the latter than anyone should be comfortable with.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 23 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Here is the (non final) result for anyone to lazy to check themselves:

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 13 points 10 months ago
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hicks exist in every country.

Sometimes they drive fancy cars.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Hicks exist in every country. They don't always exist in the form of a "bring back the policies that destroyed our country the last time around" political party though.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Jesus Christ, Germany, figure it out.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 10 months ago

Lets see how keen Germany is on stopping fascism in its borders again or if they’ll ooh and ahh as they wait for the state to talk about discussing doing something.

load more comments
view more: next ›