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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by _number8_@lemmy.world to c/casualconversation@lemmy.world

like, it's caffeine and water and brown, who cares. i drink diet soda so it's no calories, no sugar. versus the stereotype starbucks order, why is soda so demonized

the whole sort of basically woo stuff about oh there's antioxidants there which give you a 3% lower risk of skin cancer after the age of 65 like come on that doesn't count

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[-] Animated_beans@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

Coffee is healthier than soda if you take your coffee black. Black coffee is basically just water. Soda will have either sugar or artificial sweeteners in additional to sodium and other additives that make it a less healthy option.

Coffee with milk would still be better for you than soda, but you've got a good point about coffee with sweeteners essentially being just as bad as soda. Maybe the reason people treat coffee differently is because there is a healthy way to drink it and they incorrectly extrapolate that fact to any type of coffee (no, your coffee with eight sugars is not healthier than a can of Coke). Add in the fact that coffee is an acquired taste and now you've got one drink that only adults tend to drink (coffee) and one drink that kids love (soda) and people incorrectly assume that coffee is a more "grown up" thing to drink.

[-] Ocelot@lemmies.world 30 points 1 year ago

I think a coffee with 8 sugars is still WAY less sugar than a soda.

[-] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes and diet soda isn't a perfect alternative. We're still learning about the long term effects of artificial sweeteners. It's a headache trying to navigate the options.

There are seltzer waters that have caffeine. I would guess those are comparable to black coffee in terms of healthiness.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying you're totally wrong to be suspicious but aspartame is the most scientifically examined substance in the history of the world, and so far its only damaging if you consume it undiluted in large quantities, which is also true for like vinegar or alcohol etc.

it would be equally true to suggest we don't know the long term effects of exposure to mobile phones, even though they seem perfectly safe.

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[-] amio@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago

Basically the same drink? How?

Cup of black coffee and a cup of cola look similar, I guess..

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Because people aren’t pouring 30-40 grams of sugar into their coffee. Also artificial sweeteners taste like shit and haven’t been proven to not cause other health issues.

Drink water.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Because people aren’t pouring 30-40 grams of sugar into their coffee.

I've seen people try. 🤢

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[-] WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.com 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sodas have high fructose corn syrup which is a type of sugar. One soda contains 18 packets of sugar [1]. This is far more than coffee for the average person. Now if you consider diet sodas those use aspertame as a sweetener and so it’s basically sweet’n’low packets. So on a pure sugar content perspective coffee is healthier.

Soda has been known to eat away teeth [2]. While coffee does so as well, it’s to a lesser degree[3]. So long-term physically, coffee is better.

If you consider nutritional benefits and ignore the antioxidants like you said, coffee is still mostly water and therefore can count to your water intake [4]. Soda is also water as you might imagine, it being a drink, but again, to a lesser degree.

That said, if you drink diet soda in the morning you do you. You shouldn’t feel judged for wanting to eat something in moderation. But know that coffee has proven health benefits and soda has proven health detriments. These things apply to sodas at whatever time of day.

A cup of coffee also has about 2g of fibre, which is actually quite a lot in the context of the average American diet of highly processed food. IIRC the average American only eats about 15g of fibre per day - which is fucking terrible BTW.

[-] LetterboxPancake@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago

People care? Do what you want to do, it's your life. Have fun.

[-] brey1013@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago
[-] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or sweeteners, we know now that Aspartame is bad for your health.

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[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I don't think they're the same. One is warm, one is cold, one is sweet, one is bitter.

[-] emmanuel_car@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Who’s drinking warm soda?

[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Idk, but cold coffee is great in summertime.

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[-] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Corn syrup and chemicals but I’m not sure why people are downvoting your reasonable question

[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

“Chemicals” is a description for literally everything.

[-] Jummit@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In this context I guess non-natural chemicals? Maybe the artificial sweeteners.

[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In this context may also be relevant discussions among coffee enthusiasts who talk about this and that chemical process during the brewing process, lending it a bitter or rich taste -- the coffee is full of chemicals.

I'm allergic to the word "chemicals" in discussions such as this, because it is too vague to define anything specific. It generally is used as a degradation of a thing that the speaker doesn't like. But that's all there is to it. The speaker can just as well say "I'm suspicious of this thing that you hold there", and this communicates exactly the same thing, maybe with a bit more care about ones words.

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[-] everett@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I downvoted because this doesn't feel like a casual conversation, more like trying to start an argument.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Pineapple belongs on pizza

[-] everett@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Right there with jalapeño.

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[-] the_q@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

20oz of Coke contains like 15 tablespoons of sugar. Sweet coffee is healthier.

Edit: it's teaspoons not tablespoons. I am wrong.

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[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  1. I am usually cold in the morning, and thus prefer a hot drink.
  2. Soda is carbonated, and too much carbonation can cause esophageal issues (I have actually had this from too many carbonated drinks, it's not just a fabricated boogeyman).
  3. Coffee with a modest amount of creamer (I do half a shot of coffeemate vanilla bean) is definitely healthier than soda, whether regular, diet, zero etc.

All that said, I will have a soda instead if we run out of either coffee or creamer. Vanilla Coke zero sugar is my go-to in that instance.

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[-] Brkdncr@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Most sugar alternatives used in soda really messes with your guts.

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[-] bouh@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

They're both completely wrong. Hot chocolate is the sacred beverage of the morning, the holy breakfast.

[-] Bridger@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

soda is gross. coffee is excellent. that is all.

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[-] plutolink@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago
[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Fr, I know I already put too much sugar in my coffee (2 cubes for a full mug), but it's nowhere near the equivalent of ~10 cubes per can in soda

[-] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Black coffee and tea are considered the healthiest options because no sugar, no sugar substitutes, no preservatives or other additives, and they've been used long enough that the health implications are well researched.

Diet sodas have ingredients that are considered safe in moderation by the FDA, but we are still learning about the long term effects of artificial sugars and different additives. There are caffeinated seltzers out there with just natural flavoring and caffeine. That would probably be a better comparison to black coffee and tea.

[-] GunnarRunnar@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Maybe a bit of context would be in order because I don't know anyone who would even blink if you started your day at work with soda.

Though I think if you started your average morning with drinking a soda first thing would be a bit weird. But it's the same kind of weird that having hamburger meal or a full roast as breakfast is. It's just not customary.

[-] JasSmith@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

People love their social norms. You wouldn’t believe the shit I got when I stopped eating breakfast. “Most important meal of the day!” I feel great fasting and don’t miss it at all. I’ll eat cereal for dinner. You have a fucking diet soda in the morning if you want.

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[-] Someology@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Carbonated anything is bad for your bones and teeth, long term. That's not avoidable by drinking diet soda. Artificial sweeteners have been shown to still cause simular effects in the body to actual sugar in some cases, and other health issues over time.

Coffee drinks as typically ordered at Starbucks are also filled with unhealthy additions and should be treats, not daily staples. Plain drip coffee taken black is healthier, but rather gross, yet I know people who drink it

I'm team tea, myself. Definitely the superior drink. Actually strengthens your teeth (stains them yet makes them stronger) if you dont add sugar. Just don't carbonate it or add too much other stuff to it if you're after health.

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[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Carbonated drinks are not good for your teeth. Even if they are of the zero sugar variant. The CO2 basically increases the acidity in the drink. They add a shit ton of sweetener or sugar to hide the sour taste. Drinking sodas right after brushing your teeth just negates the positive effects toothpaste will have on your teeth. Even worse if you brush your teeth after drinking a soda. The acidity of a soda makes your teeth softer then when you brush you basically scrape the enamel away.

And yes this is also true for fruit juice like orange juice.

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Water and co2 combine to make a weak acid. But that isn’t the acid that is the issue. The real issue is that soda makers like coke intentionally make the soda more acidic, to cover up the overly sweet. Without the added acid the soda would taste way too sweet.

The real issue tho is all the sugar they put in it. All the added calories and triglycerides is what kills you over time.

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not the same drink, your premise is flawed. Coffee has way more caffeine, is generally served hot, and most importantly, tastes completely different.

Diet soda is also still not good for you.

Although switching from regular soda to diet soda may save you calories, it's not yet clear if it's effective for preventing obesity and related health problems in the long term.

Healthier low-calorie choices abound, including water, skim milk, and unsweetened tea or coffee.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/diet-soda/faq-20057855

Basically, black coffee tastes better (subjective), has more caffeine, and is less bad for your health. Alternatively you could go the tea route but personally I prefer coffee.

[-] donuts@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The quote that you've included doesn't say that diet soda is bad for you, only that it's "not clear if it's effective at preventing obesity".

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[-] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I like my coffee like I like my women.

Hot, strong, and a little bitter.

[-] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Imported from South America in sacks...

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[-] phareous@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I really don’t care about how people feel about something I drink and I don’t care what they drink. I think coffee tastes nasty so I stick to sodas and tea for breakfast

[-] drekly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
[-] lasagna@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The main risk of sugar isn't the calories themselves, but rather their effect on our fullness perception. That is, the more sugar we eat, the harder it is to feel full after eating something. This in return cases a vicious cycle, one that can easily lead into obesity. I don't know if that same issue can happen with sweeteners but I don't generally trust anything that tricks our senses to such a degree. I don't consider coffee the holy grail either, it's just that its negative health effects have been tested for ages and are acceptable for its overall benefits. But that's my own risk assessment, with only my health in the line.

It's hard to get a good grip on the health neutrality of diet soda when the companies who make them have lied to us about sugar for decades. Maybe sweeteners are just their next lie, who knows. Much of the research done on sweeteners is funded by the ones who profit from it. The food industry have far more power than anyone should be comfortable with them having.

[-] HellAwaits@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

i drink diet soda so it’s no calories, no sugar. versus the stereotype starbucks order, why is soda

Lol if you think diet soda is healthy, I wanna try to scam you because you're completely gullible.

[-] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

drinkin drinkin drinkin

drinkin coka coka cola

I can feel it Rollin right on down

a'Right on down my throat

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