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[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This was my first exposure to Linux - one of the PCs in high school had it installed. (I had read about Linux before then, but not had a chance to try it)

It had a little foam Tux in the box, and I got to keep it:

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[–] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago

I hope you use it for ~~duck~~ penguin debugging

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 32 points 2 months ago

The only flaw in Corel's logic was that as soon as you're running Linux, you lose all desire to run WordPerfect, and develop an irresistible need to align yourself with vim or emacs...

[–] markstos@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I remember that this existed, but I don’t remember why.

Corel was known for a drawing program and later for WordPerfect. They were never well known for their involvement with Linux.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Linux was the NFT or Blockchain or AI of 1999, so every tech company was jumping on board.

The sales pitch, as I remember, was that you could run your Wordperfect or CorelDraw shit on it, and not need to have Windows to use it and instead could join the future, which was Linux. Though, amusingly, their version of the future was running Windows binaries via Wine on Linux which, eh, okay but...

Of course, nobody used Wordperfect or CorelDraw at that point in history so I'm not entirely sure how that was supposed to sell you on buying not-Word and not-Photoshop.

[–] markstos@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

WordPerfect continued to thrive in the legal industry for years to come due to its “reveal codes” feature and the way it counted words.

Here’s a post about that from 2008.

https://ask.metafilter.com/96820/Why-do-so-many-laywers-use-WordPerfect

Yeah, I've read about that. But, then again, the legal industry was probably exceedingly low on the likely-to-change-to-Linux probability list in 1999, as well. I've worked for some lawyers in the past and they're a shockingly traditional dont-change-anything-ever group. (Not particularly shocking.)

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Corel was, and still is, used in a lot of industries, like signmaking, embroidery, etc. It has been losing share in the general vector graphics space for years though.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

Honestly it wouldn't be too incredibly crazy for them to make a Linux graphic suite. They could even start maintaining a Linux distro.

However this is would be high risk with a high chance of failure as Linux users don't usually have big wallets unless you count enterprise servers

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

they were trying to make a windows alternative since microsoft was using their leverage w windows to make corel lose money and courts were doing little more than slapping microsoft on the wrist for doing it.

[–] m0stlyharmless@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I find it reminiscent to what Valve is doing with SteamOS and Proton today. That is, establishing a viable alternative to MS Windows through using Wine/Proton in order to not be reliant on a competitor for running their software.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

Just keep in mind that value can lock you in any day. Steam is proprietary after all.

We don't need wildly successful companies. We need options and completion

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, Bill Gates destroyed a lot of other companies with his OS monopoly, Dbase (Access) and Lotus 1 2 3 (Excel)...

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

and now he's a "philanthropist"

emphasis on the quotes since he's put his wealth into a charity; like most of the utlra wealth do; to avoid taxes so now he's legally required to spent 5% of it in philanthropy.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Logged into GUI as root 🤣

[–] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The 90's was a wild time...

Specially for people coming from windows, this was normal. The appeal of mandrake and corel and suse was this kind of graphical control panel à la windows where you needed root privileges in a graphical interface.

I myself didn't learn about sudo until years later, and su just from debian 3.0.

[–] Fox@pawb.social 2 points 2 months ago

Coming from Kali Linux, this is still normal

[–] Sinclair-Speccy@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

@cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca I don’t see what the big issue is…

[–] Ilgaz@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It was a serious issue back then. People were wandering around on the Internet with root accounts. A lot of #linux IRC channels were kicking&banning anyone with "~root" or "root" ident with educational sentence like "Do not use root account as your ordinary account, check instructions". We don't see the issue widespread today since distros did very good intended "dark patterns" to push users to regular user accounts. Linux (or UNIX) "root" account is true god mode. E.g. infamous "rm" as root joke (!) could even affect Windows running WSL2, so MS had to implement special workarounds.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

WSL has no direct connection to the host file system. WSL's drives are virtualized. Which is a real fuckin peach when you just want to copy things to and fro and end up discovering this 😅

[–] Ilgaz@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Dig deeper, it is even more crazy. They use Plan9'es protocol.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anyone with physical access to the computer also has full file system access and could wipe everything, even without password or technical knowledge.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's bad for other reasons too, like a script on a website would launch as root... And also without a password if your disk was encrypted your data is protected even if someone has physical access.

It is just generally common knowledge to not run around in God mode all day, otherwise sudo wouldn't exist.

[–] Sinclair-Speccy@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca

@lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network

This is running in a VM without any internet access… that will end up getting replaced by another OS anyway

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh ya I kind of figured, I was just having a laugh 😂

[–] Sinclair-Speccy@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca

Yeah if it was on a real machine or if I was connecting to the internet I wouldn't be logged in as root ^^;

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

I know 😂

[–] shrugs@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That was my first linux distro I tried, took 12 minutes to boot on my Pentium 75 with 8mb RAM. Still better then win98 though

[–] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 6 points 2 months ago

I'm surprised you could even run a Linux distro with X11 and KDE1 on 8MB of RAM.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Oh man, what a throwback! I had completely forgotten about this. It made a splash and then I never heard anything more about it. One of my coworkers installed it on his Toshiba laptop and ran it for a week or two before giving up.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

They nailed the retro-futurism aesthetic with that window UI

[–] richardisaguy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

why does it look so much like windows

[–] Sinclair-Speccy@fedia.io 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@richardisaguy@lemmy.world It mainly competed against Windows 98 and Windows 2000 by Microsoft so I guess they were trying to jump on the hype with using a similar interface

[–] markstos@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Correct. Not just hype but to make it “Like Windows, but free”.

Even then it could be themed to a degree and some distros tried to look more like Windows than others.

[–] zenharbinger@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 5 points 2 months ago

TBF first time I saw KDE I called it “Can't believe it's not Windows” the DE.

It looks pretty kool, even if it looks very much like Windows

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Please be advised that Corel Linux was discontinued in August 15, 2000. It is no longer be receiving any security patches.

[–] Sinclair-Speccy@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip As I said in a previous comment this is an emulator this is running in a VM

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[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This was my first exposure to Linux. I had no internet at the time so I left it on my computer for a couple of weeks and played with the settings and Snake, then reinstalled Windows so I could play my games again.

[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I had to do a double take between this comment and the one by @davidgro@lemmy.world

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Omg I forgot Corel Linux ! I installed it 25 years ago, wow!

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if this kibd of theme is still available for modern graphical toolkits like Qt6 or GTK4

[–] Darohan@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My laptop looks very similar to this, running KDE Plasma 6.1, so yes, yes it is.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Darohan@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Look up "Commonality"/"Commonality Sol" (theme), "Reactionary" (theme), and "GNUStep" (icons) on the Plasma theme library, I think you'll find some stuff you like. Also, in Plasma Settings' "Window Style", select "MS Windows 9x".

[–] jherazob@beehaw.org 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Heh, hadn't seen KDE like this in ages, it's been a while

[–] Decker108@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Whoa, that's early KDE? They really went all in on looking like contemporary Windows.

[–] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Qt1 came with two default themes. One of them mimicked Win95 and the other mimicked Motif. KDE1 defaulted to the former in order to look more familiar. To this day, the "Windows 9x" theme still ships with Qt and can be selected on any Plasma 6 install. Starting with KDE2 they started using their own custom themes for everything, tho.

GNOME 1 actually looked very similar, which isn't surprising because its main goal at that point was to offer a replacement for KDE that didn't depend on then-proprietary Qt. GNOME 2 and KDE 2 is when they really started building a distinct identity.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

My first linux distro.

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