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[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 96 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Look at that!

A few nights in French jail worked wonders.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's like I always say, violence and torture work so well you don't even have to do them in the first place. Just saying you will unless they comply is enough. That's why we're the good guys.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

About that last bit...

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 68 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Durov -- who has citizenship in France as well as Russia, the United Arab Emirates, and the Caribbean archipelago of St. Kitts and Nevis

How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

Is it money? Gotta be money.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

In Canada and New Zealand you can literally buy citizenship. You just need the funds. It’s a real and legitimate process.

[–] vodkasolution@feddit.it 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Almost every country has a way to get citizenship in exchange of money

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if anyone rich enough has decided on undertaking the quest to get and hold as many citizenships as possible.

There'd probably be difficulty though getting simultaneous citizenships for North Korea / South Korea citizenship, Russia / Ukraine, or Republic of China / People's Republic of China.

[–] Teils13 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The most i could find on the web was this lawyers non-named client, who has 8 citizenships (“octa-citizen” has passports from Canada, UK, Ireland, Belize, Grenada, Dominica, St. Kitts, and Cape Verde), after renouncing his original USA one (and he apparently did it to not pay taxes).

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

ya, the US is the only nation that will tax any money you make even if you don't live in the US or work in the US

[–] TrippaSnippa@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

In Australia you can buy permanent residency, which is then a pathway to citizenship.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Oh hell yeah it's money. It's called economic citizenship and there are plenty of countries out there that are willing to let you buy in with ownership of properties and business.

There are only a handful of countries out there that don't allow dual citizenship.

[–] 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago

How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

My kids are entitled to 5 citizenships. 2 from me and 3 from their mum.

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

I only use Telegram for my Warhammer 40k group..Authorities seizing that will get them years of mindless chatter about the Emperor, memes and battle reports. Fuck they will pay us to leave Telegram

[–] tal@lemmy.today 9 points 2 months ago

How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

Most countries let you have multiple citizenships. Unless a country restricts you from doing so, you can have as many as you want.

[–] crimsoncobalt@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I wish Telegram would just enable default E2EE. Oh well, time to switch to Signal!

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And if they had implented that to begin with and used servers that kept no logs he wouldn't have had anything of value to hand over and they would have had to release him since he physically could not provide those things.

He built the damn situation for himself, and the fact that such issues weren't considered practically screams "honeypot."

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

they would have had to release him

Maybe we could say he wouldn’t be in this situation because he could’ve responded to every request his company got and they could’ve provided all of the zero logs they had.

I believe Telegram just wasn’t cooperating at all which is wild! Such a Musk thing to do.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 months ago

Just keep in mind that any service that asks for a phone number can also disclose it.

I hope what leaves the Signal client is a hash of your phone number, rather than the number itself. They might even be using salts and expensive-to-execute key derivation functions, to mitigate brute force searches (which are otherwise easy given the relatively small search space of phone numbers). But if compelled, it would be trivial for Signal to change that behavior.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I also don't trust Signal.. And I won't gonna switch a 4th time. I might as well switch to Matrix chat now.

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure how much we can trust matrix either to be honest. There's some cryptographic flaws in their Olm Library. https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/

As it turns out being both secure and convenient is very difficult

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

That is a pretty weak argument. The issues are minor and in a library that people are moving off of to a better build and stronger validated library. Yes, it should have been like that in the first place, but the problem is minor and being addressed.

I would look more to the various features of Matrix that aren't encrypted like room names, topics, reactions, ... and not to mention the oodles of unencrypted metadata. I really wouldn't call Matrix a high-privacy system.

I like Matrix and use it regularly, but it definitely doesn't have a privacy-first mindset like Signal does. I'm hoping that this improves over time, but without a strong privacy first leadership it seems unlikely to happen.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Olm is now deprecated and all development is now focused into Vodozemac: https://github.com/matrix-org/vodozemac. That being said, is there no proven Olm Protocol alternative implementation for e2e encryption (proven technology) instead of reinventing the wheel.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ow interesting. TIL.... Olm Protocol is a clone of Signal’s Double Ratchet.

[–] progandy@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

vodozemac might become that proven implementation. Without reinventing the wheel there will never be an alternative, because everyone just reuses the one existing library.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I also don't trust Signal..

...why?

I might as well switch to Matrix chat now.

Man, Simplex seems to check all the boxes for me...

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

...why?

While it might be secure.. I'm done with centralized services.. If I can't host it myself, I won't bother switching anymore.

I don't know Simplex chat very well.. But that seems also good.. As long as you can have encryption and run your own server. It's not that I have anything to hide, but at the same time I'm tired of the infiltration of all states (which now also include EU).

EDIT: They need to change their name. The first results you get in search engines are this: https://www.simplex.com/ followed by (Dutch): https://simplex.nl/

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

As long as you can have encryption and run your own server.

You can :)

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Simplex doesn't support mutli-device. That's a deal breaker for me. I do 90% of my messaging at my desktop but also want to be able to chat on the go. Using my laptop on the couch is also fairly convenient.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

SimpleX also loses messages if you don't pick them up in time. Going on vacation for a few weeks could be problematic, for example.

[–] spiderman@ani.social 1 points 1 month ago

Adding to that, their notification system kinda sucks for me.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Spin up your own server for best results.

Then you only have to worry about minor metadata leakage.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There's also SimpleX chat and Briar, but I've used both of those less than Matrix. They seem to be aiming to solve the last few issues that Matrix has, like usernames and metadata leakage.

I consider Matrix to be closer to an "Enterprise" solution, like what a business or government or non-profit would use for secure communications (literally both French and German governments use Matrix), while SimpleX/Briar seem much more aimed at individuals just wanting control over their personal conversations.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 2 months ago

Personally I really hope that Dendrite will release a version somewhat close to v1: https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite

The main downside of Matrix is the Synapse Python server (blurp). But Dendrite is still far for complete even years later now.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 month ago

Here.. SimpleX comparison table.. Signal is also centralized.

[–] spiderman@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago

Telegram would never do that.

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[–] LEVI@feddit.org 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

France wanted a backdoor.. they got it, and Telegram was never trustworthy..

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

OK bye bye Telgram. Now I need to migrate everything again again again.

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[–] Yuzuki@lemmy.kikuri.moe 7 points 1 month ago

People who signed up on Telegram were set up to fail right from the get go. It doesn't feature default E2EE, it's not private, it's not secure... but there were plenty of users on there looking to buy whatever dark net goods and services you can offer. It's completely stupid when there are much better alternatives out there, but people go wherever other people are, just moving as a herd instead of a lone wolf. With everything that has happened over the last years, including the arrest of the Tornado Cash and Samourai Wallet devs, it's clear that it's no longer possible to resist the government in any way out in the open anymore.

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