You might try a Matrix group instead. Doesn’t require a phone number and supports more than 1000 users unlike Signal. Search is bad though unfortunately.
this post was submitted on 26 Sep 2024
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Why not use SimpleX Chat? If you use Matrix for that you will likely get reported and get banned
Go ahead and create the group then make a post. Nobody's holding you back my friend.
Some suggest matrix, others simplex. Not sure which one would be better honestly
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What is even the point of "piracy groups"? What exactly can you find there that you cannot in other places designed for that, e.g., trackers, usenet, forums...?
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Good idea overall, unfortunately they still have your IP and phone number which means Europeans are still implicated
Signal doesn't collect IPs and therefore can't even hand them out. It's been requested in 2021. Here's a list of requests from authorities they were allowed to publish. I've looked through 3 of the most recent and nowhere do they reveal IPs.
Sure they don't log the IPs, but it is technically impossible to not know the IP when you're running a centralized service.
IIRC, because of sealed sender, they can't know who you're communicating with, only that you're using Signal at all.
I didn't know that. Thanks
What are the "popular" alternatives? Telegram stores everything, WhatsApp doesn't allow usernames, Matrix requires IPs too...
TBH I would just use email over TOR and encrypt communication with PGP. Rotate identities every now and then and you should be fine. Yes it doesn't have forward secrecy but it removes the effort to find the "right messaging" service and is instead ubiquitous (and you can sign up for anonymous email addresses online too, which makes it even better).
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The phone number is not connected to the messages. That’s the only thing they have. It is the best app for privacy.
Arguable in it being "the best app for privacy". Can you link to a source which shows that phone numbers are not linked to accounts? (Why do they need them anyway?)
They have published requests from the law enforcement and their responses to these requests. The only unencrypted data they have is the phone number, a date of sign up and a date of the last login. That is it, everything else is encrypted and they cannot access it whatsoever.
The problem is, if you're in Europe, your phone number is associated with your identity
So what? The law enforcement knows you have an account and knows the sign up date and last login. That doesn’t affect your privacy whatsoever. Besides, Europe isn’t a monolith. You can absolutely buy and use a SIM card without disclosing your name in some countries.
No you don't.
I can go to the corner shop/local garage right now, buy a SIM card for 99p and then buy a top-up voucher in cash to have a completely anonymous phone number.
Albeit is the UK in Europe again? 🙈
edit: where I would be worried if my privacy was on the line is I could also go to the local pawn shop / Cash Converters to ensure that SIM card isn't associated with an IMEI I've previously used and buy in cash a cheapo phone.
Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard.
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But, again, all they can prove is that you signed up to Signal and when you last signed in.
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Will a simplex group better? Nothing identifiable.
Yes, let's talk piracy behind some stupid walled garden. As if public conversations are not fragmented enough as it is
Signal is a walled garden?
how is it not?
- the worst kind of opensource, where you are not allowed to run the software yourself (or even fork it)
- not indexable
- requires signup with personal informations
- forever tied to a single identity
- not exportable to other services
- no open formats for its storage
it's a shitty service, by a shitty person. I know Moxie personally, and he is basically Elon Musk if he didn't make it
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The problem is Signal supports up to 1000 people group chat, so it's better to find something different
Thanks for doing this
Tracker Control is blocking me from joining. Weird that Molly (its a hardened signal fork) is showing amazon is being contacted when trying to join the group.
I can unblock it but its weird. I also noticed the other domains its been trying to (unsuccessfully) contact.
I think signal servers may be using aws hosting.
Signal uses Amazon's servers, look it up. It's all encrypted of course.
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