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[-] Hope@lemmy.world 300 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not to argue for creationism, but this argument sucks. Lead can be produced by supernova, not just through decay of heavier elements. But even that's besides the point, since if you believe some entity created the universe, surely said entity could have created whatever ratio of lead to uranium they wanted. It's not a falsifiable claim, there's really no disproving it, unfortunately.

(Not so fun fact: the environmental impact of leaded gasoline was discovered by trying to estimate the age of the earth using the radio of lead to uranium in uranium deposits, but the pollution from leaded gasoline was throwing the measurements off.)

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also this doesn’t say anything about the Earth.

Plus you can give a liberal reading of the bible to be:

  1. god created the heaven and the earth. God created the heavenly bodies.
  2. God created the sky - earths atmosphere and climate
  3. God separates oceans - creates continental forms, and plant based life
  4. God creates the moon and sun and stars. This one seems out of order to me… maybe just the earth and solar system stabilize. I don’t know how plants exist without the sun, so maybe it’s microbes or something.
  5. God creates birds and sea creatures. Maybe birds are dinosaurs.
  6. God creates modern land animals, then creates man and woman. That makes sense, mankind is certainly new with only a few hundred thousand years of records before civilization starts.

That doesn’t have to imply the earth is 4000 years old. Even the original wording could be read as eon instead of day.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

The Bible is a couple thousand chapters long. The creation story is the first two chapters. It's pretty obviously only attempting to establish that God created the universe in some ambiguous way and move on with the story. That doesn't stop people from inferring all sorts of things from what is essentially a poem.

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

It's literally a poem in the original language.

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[-] Bobmighty@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

Engagement bait.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

All young Earth creationist should be exiled to a remote desert island to die

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Should we start building a big wooden boat for them?

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Technically this could all be true even if the universe were created 4000 years ago. As somebody says in Robert Heinlein's novel Job: A Comedy of Justice, "Yes, the universe is billions of years old, but it was created 4000 years ago. It was created old." (approximate quote from memory)

I absolutely agree with science, but strictly speaking we can't know for sure the universe isn't the creation of some superbeing operating outside of it - or it could even be a simulation.

[-] nickhammes@lemmy.world 77 points 1 day ago

We can't prove that the world we live in wasn't created last Thursday, with our memories, the growth rings in trees, and so on created by a (near) omnipotent trickster to deceive us. But science and rationality give us tools for determining what's worth taking seriously, and sorting out the reasonable, but unconfirmed, claims from the unverifiable hogwash.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Pffff. Look at this conspiracy bullshit.

Everyone knows that the universe will actually be created tomorrow. What you are experiencing now is a flashback from tomorrow of what you did yesterday. Prove me wrong.

[-] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 6 points 1 day ago

You believe in existence? Please.

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[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago

Actually the universe was created on Jan 1st 1970. That's why computers sometimes have errors with pre-1970 dates, it's the universal simulation glitching due to the high clock rate of computers compared to the universe's. Anyone who claims to have been born before 1970/01/01 is a simulation that's lying to you, and anyone born after is real, hence why now that its more player characters than NPCs things are going off the rails politically and socially!

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[-] madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

We can't know anything with 100% certainty. We can always imagine some razzle-dazzle, imagined scenario to counter the rational explanation if we like.

The point of the scientific method and logical reasoning is to pick the explanation with the most evidence.

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[-] MicrowavedTea@infosec.pub 138 points 1 day ago

Pretty sure the point of creationism is that everything was put on the earth when it was created, including fossils etc. You can't argue this with logic. My favorite spin off of this is Last Thursdayism where the earth was created last Thursday (regardless of what day it's now) which basically uses the same argument.

[-] Ddub@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 day ago

That does explain why I can never get the hang of Thursdays

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[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago

Yeah, this is broken because all lead did not have to come from polonium, that's how half-lives work.

It's still 100% bullshit in every way, someone just needs to have chatgpt4 sort out the current mass fraction to explain why, I'm way too lazy to argue against insanity.

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[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 63 points 1 day ago

When I was being raised as a young earth creationist, the earth was supposedly 12,000-20,000 years old. Then it was 10,000 years old. Then only 6,000. After I outgrew that nonsense, I joked that in a few decades YECs would say that their god created the earth in 1980, and anyone older than 40 are agents of the devil sent to test your faith.

[-] Live_your_lives@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

6,000 to 12,000 years old is what I heard. I'm guessing that this "Christians Against Science" page is a joke community that is making fun of YECs by saying it's 4,000.

[-] gnutrino@programming.dev 29 points 1 day ago

Of course, the universe was actually created in 1970 and anyone claiming to be older than 54 is an agent of Microsoft sent to test your faith in Unix.

[-] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 4 points 22 hours ago

Ahh, hence why there are no negative Unix timestamps.

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[-] LilDumpy@lemmy.world 77 points 1 day ago

Real question: Is the decay of uranium the only natural way to produce lead? If so TIL.

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 113 points 1 day ago

you can also lead by example

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

I assume someone saying this is a creationist and can just say god created Earth already with the lead in it. Therefore it is a pointless discussion.

[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Which raises the question of why he would create a planet with the illusion of age and send you to hell for falling for his own trick.

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