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[-] Mercuri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I typically use the fact that there are trees older than 4000 years old based on tree ring data. Or that there are stars in the sky further than 4000 light years away that we can see in the sky.

That usually makes them say something like how their God created an world that was already aged. So I usually counter with the fact that would make their God a lier and deceiver.

Some hold firm and say God did it to test faith. Others back pedal and try to blame it on Satan. That Satan scattered all this false evidence just to make us question the notion that Earth is 4000 years old to make people lose faith in God. And then I have to laugh at how stupid their argument is and how weak their God is. Naturally no amount of evidence or logic will make them change their belief.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

We obviously live in a matrix/simulated world, and it can't be older than 50 years, because before that, computers didn't exist. Checkmate christians.

/jk

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 43 points 11 hours ago

Here's the bad faith argument:

At the moment of creation, God placed some partially decayed metals on the planet to fool the non-believers.

This is basically why the existence of dinosaur bones doesn't bother them either -- they just hand-wave it away.

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 1 points 10 minutes ago

"The devil put them there"

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

Counter handwave, any god that would do that is a jerk who doesn't deserve worship. (Actually like 99% of the shit most faiths deities do falls into that category.)

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 8 points 8 hours ago

Bad faith argument:

In the holy book, inspired by this god, he tells you he DOES deserve worship. Furthermore, were you to ignore his advice, he will punish you eternally.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, well, if that mf does actually exist, I'll feel real vindicated as I scream in agony for eternity, for holding the opinion that a God that needs to threaten me into worshipping him is not benevolent at all !

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 2 points 6 hours ago

If I were god I might do all sorts of shit to test the supposed intelligence of my creations. That might include including telling them "do some pointless thing, or else".

It might interest me to see if they're capable of reasoning or testing to determine that the task is pointless and the threat is empty. Probably not, but its hilarious for them to think they matter to me; It's like a videogame to me.

It only takes 6 days for me to start whole a new game. I'm probably bored of it long before now or at least well ino my hundred and somethingth play-through light-years away. I prefer keeping the dinosaurs because they're way cooler than humans.

[-] DeanFogg@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

....But I killed the dinosaurs because I watched a brontosaurus eat its own shit

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Just confess your sins to a guy who says he's a prist. All good after that.

[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

"God works in mysterious ways" /s

[-] matt1126@feddit.uk 14 points 11 hours ago

Hehe bad faith

[-] jenny_ball@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago
[-] Pixlbabble@lemm.ee 10 points 11 hours ago
[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 4 points 11 hours ago

Literally tho

[-] ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You can throw as much science at them as you want. God could have just created everything in whatever state he wanted to. Same thing with the virgin mary discussion. Who cares if it makes sense scientifically, god can just make a fertilized egg appear. How lame would god be if he could not do that? This is the basis christians start from, so why even bother trying to debate that?

[-] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

Ah the "Last Tuesday Hypothesis".

[-] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 hours ago

But could he heat up a burrito so hot that even he could not eat it?

If not, that's pretty weak. But if so, also pretty weak.

Go away with your logic!

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 4 points 10 hours ago

Could he create a rock heavy enough, that he can't lift it?

[-] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 57 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I genuinely don't understand how uranium can exist a priori in this argument but lead not? I might be missing something.

[-] Pazuzu@midwest.social 40 points 16 hours ago

The original post only gave half the explanation. It's not that lead exists in general, it's that lead exists within zircon crystals.

Under normal circumstances that would be impossible, zircon crystals strongly reject lead atoms as they form. There's no way to stuff lead into the crystal lattice in the quantity we find them there. But uranium and zircon go together just fine, we just have to wait for it to decay into lead. The trouble is it takes ~4.5 billion years for just half of those uranium atoms to turn into lead. So any zircon crystal we find with half as much lead as uranium must be roughly that old

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 hours ago

But that still doesn't change the belief that a creator could have created the universe in whatever state it currently exists in. That's why these arguments never go anywhere with hard core young earth creationists. It's also not worth the energy arguing with them because they often believe that anyone trying to convince them otherwise is an antichrist trying to lead them astray.

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It doesn't. It was never the point of his post. You can still believe that if you want. His reasoning for why he doesn't is outlined there.

It comes down to whether or not you find processes that we have researched and documented time and time again to be compelling evidence, or you want to believe it is a practical joke (while reductive, it is pretty much that argument breaks down to being).

[-] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

If God created it in that state then they should be curious to understand that creation. They look at rainbows as the beauty of creation but not the fact that lead exists in these crystals. It's all equally beautifully complex. So why not try to understand it.

If God made the world look like it was created billions of years ago there must be something worth learning from that, even if you believe it was snapped into existence 6000 years ago.

[-] sandbox@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, it’s not at all a compelling argument.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 52 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

the answer completely disregards the fact that people who even remotely understand how these things work wouldn't believe stupid shit in the first place. there are so many ways for this guy to just dismiss this.

how would you even know, you can't have studied these for billions of years

who says lead only can exist in this manner

what if this is true but god also made lead along with the earth

etc etc... this is very weak if the goal is really try to convince this guy to look into some things rather than smell your own farts.

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[-] Object@sh.itjust.works 15 points 17 hours ago

Is this even a real tweet? If it is, why even bother trying to recreate it in paint?

[-] Linsensuppe@feddit.org 27 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Can someone explain to me why lead HAS to come from another element? Why cant it just… exist?

[-] shrugs@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Pazuzu@midwest.social explained above:

The original post only gave half the explanation. It’s not that lead exists in general, it’s that lead exists within zircon crystals.

Under normal circumstances that would be impossible, zircon crystals strongly reject lead atoms as they form. There’s no way to stuff lead into the crystal lattice in the quantity we find them there. But uranium and zircon go together just fine, we just have to wait for it to decay into lead. The trouble is it takes ~4.5 billion years for just half of those uranium atoms to turn into lead. So any zircon crystal we find with half as much lead as uranium must be roughly that old

[-] LouSlash@szmer.info 15 points 20 hours ago

Because it needs a...

... leader

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[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 101 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

this argument isn't going to work on someone who believes god created said lead... and also, pretty sure not all lead was created from nuclear decay.

i get dunk on people feels satisfying, but this is just bad science communication through and through

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