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[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I have written a few comments about day to day life in Lebanon as we’re being bombed and now invaded by an indiscriminate killing machine. This war has more surreal than anything I’ve lived through: more surreal than the post-blast week, more surreal than peak lockdown season, more surreal than any of the waves of civil conflict throughout my life. I have never felt more guilty for every breath of air I take and every hug I give my family. People, normal civilian people like me, are losing everything, often their lives.

More surreal: an Arabic sweet shop I go to very often (it’s on a main highway) got damaged by an attack this week. It’s in the middle of a very safe city. Like imagine your favorite something just had to close from war damage. Good thing the indiscriminate killing machine didn’t suspect that terrorists were hiding in the baklawa. Maybe next week they’ll find them and finish the job.

Would you fucking believe it if I told you I get DMs from people “sympathizing with my hardships” but asking me if I could kindly remove my post because of some US election shenanigans.

Some people will just never understand that there is a whole world outside the Global North full of complex people and situations. I like not being bombed for the crime of not being a European colonist. But writing about it in English online? Must be a psyop huh. At least this isn’t Reddit where a few years back someone actually questioned whether I could really be Lebanese if I was writing so much in decent English. Truly le euphoric intellectual site.

And hey if I was an American voter I’d probably still cast an unenthusiastic ballot for the cop if I was in a battleground state. I get it, I hate the other guy, it would be morally gray, but no grayer than the options we get to vote for here. But that doesn’t mean this absurd defense of the indiscriminate killing machine, spewing forth from every corner of the woodwork, hasn’t really highlighted how the US just has two right wing parties. You guys (Americans) should be reframing the Vietnam protests as a cute little Sunday picnic compared to what you should be doing now. Which they were.

You have to hold these ghouls accountable and the “nice democratic countries’” fetish for pretend civility has never been more exhausting. You think in the annals of history they’re going to say “good thing they didn’t whip out the nooses, that would have been so beneath our perfect empire”? Of course not. It would just be correctly understood as appeasement. When the indiscriminate killing machine is properly listed next to Rhodesia and Nazi Germany, the fervent support the world showed them will be a rightful, eternal humiliation for every country that has been rewarding them for tearing our families and limbs apart.

Or hey, maybe we get wiped off the map and get all our towns renamed to someone else’s language. And we are removed from the history books. Clearly our lives are just acceptable collateral for people playing what should ostensibly be a very important political game. If that’s what our lives are worth, what is our memory worth?

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm very moved by your comment and can't even begin to approximate how you must feel and what you have to suffer.
You have hit every nail on the head. I don't even know how to respond to most of the stuff you wrote, apart from nodding and fuelling my determination with it...

This war has more surreal than anything I’ve lived through: more surreal than the post-blast week, more surreal than peak lockdown season, more surreal than any of the waves of civil conflict throughout my life. I have never felt more guilty for every breath of air I take and every hug I give my family. People, normal civilian people like me, are losing everything, often their lives.

More surreal: an Arabic sweet shop I go to very often (it’s on a main highway) got damaged by an attack this week. It’s in the middle of a very safe city. Like imagine your favorite something just had to close from war damage. Good thing the indiscriminate killing machine didn’t suspect that terrorists were hiding in the baklawa. Maybe next week they’ll find them and finish the job.

This made me tear up while reading T_T

Would you fucking believe it if I told you I get DMs from people “sympathizing with my hardships” but asking me if I could kindly remove my post because of some US election shenanigans.

My first reaction was "What?! Is it already that bad here on the fediverse?!". But on second thought, I am not surprised, considering the shit I had to permaban and delete just on here... -_-

I like not being bombed for the crime of not being a European colonist. But writing about it in English online? Must be a psyop huh

Are you sure we are not posting from the same Russian/Chinese/North Korean/Iranian bot farm? (/s obvsly)

At least this isn’t Reddit where a few years back someone actually questioned whether I could really be Lebanese if I was writing so much in decent English. Truly le euphoric intellectual site.

Don't worry, .world is working very hard on getting there ((:

And hey if I was an American voter I’d probably still cast an unenthusiastic ballot for the cop if I was in a battleground state. I get it, I hate the other guy, it would be morally gray, but no grayer than the options we get to vote for here.

I'm not from the USA either and do see it in the same way, which is why I'd vote for the Wall Street party as well in a swing state.

But that doesn’t mean this absurd defence of the indiscriminate killing machine, spewing forth from every corner of the woodwork, hasn’t really highlighted how the US just has two right wing parties

This, in combination with my point just above, is exactly why I have stayed clear of preaching to the choir about the ultraconservatives being bad and made sure that nothing I post has any messages of vote boycotting. But rather to maybe make a teeny-tiny microscopic dent in the unconditional support for the (neo-) imperialist/colonialist scum of this planet

the “nice democratic countries’” fetish for pretend civility has never been more exhausting

That seems to be tradition in virtually all western / white-majority countries. F.e. it showed during the fights for black liberation in the 20th century and still shows when oppressed people get righteously "angry" during discussions - "Why can't they lead a civilized debate? We would listen to them if they did" - and then they might, but will (at best) pay lip service to those issues, never systematically address them... More often than not, they'll continue as before or make it even worse (but at least it's not the republicans doing it, right?)

When the indiscriminate killing machine is properly listed next to Rhodesia and Nazi Germany, the fervent support the world showed them will be a rightful, eternal humiliation for every country that has been rewarding them for tearing our families and limbs apart.

By God, that day will come if I can do anything about it

Clearly our lives are just acceptable collateral for people playing what should ostensibly be a very important political game. If that’s what our lives are worth, what is our memory worth?

Unfortunately, liberals in the imperial core are more worried about their personal privileges than the people's suffering they are built on


Also, I have to apologize for this community having turned in the way it has over this issue. For various personal reasons, I'm not perpetually carrying out proactive moderation and it shows. I already had a few reports incoming, but more would help make it more consistent. I know I can't ask that of you and that it should be a community effort.
It's just disheartening and disgusting how so many people people think they can claim the label of "leftist" and support (or apologize/justify) genocide commited by the settler state extension of the us empire, supported by most of NAFO...
unfortunately it's rlyyy widespread here in Germany (embodied by the "Anti-Germans" (Wikipedia link)) and from what I gather in the USA as well

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately, liberals in the imperial core are more worried about their personal privileges

"I like status", therefore "I like gaining status through the oppression of an outgroup", therefore "oppressing the outgroup is acceptable, because I like it." The moral calculus for this is extremely addictive.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Americans are extremely dangerous because we are so coddled and isolated from the consequences of our actions. War is purely something that we see in video games and in movies. The news rarely covers the actual human cost or humanizes anyone outside of the imperial core. They dumped Malala real quick the moment she turned a critical eye to US policy.

These people were more than happy to support the unprovoked invasion and decades-long occupation of countries in the Middle East so long as it was "their guy" doing it "the right way." Hundreds of thousands were killed and we were never allowed a choice in about it in any election, every democratic nominee, Kerry, Obama, Clinton, and Biden are all hawks. Liberals don't see any problem with this and most are actually upset with Biden for pulling out of Afghanistan. Liberals pretend to care about these things but they don't understand or respect the severity of them at all. It comes back to be so sheltered from the consequences of actions.

But I can't believe that that shelter is going to last forever. Systems either adapt or die and the US is proving that it's incapable of adapting to the shifting conditions of the present day. More and more non-aligned countries are getting fed up with us and that isn't felt immediately but it is shifting the balance of power and reducing the effectiveness of American soft power. The day will come that Americans wake up and realize that we can't keep throwing our weight around and ignoring everyone else's concerns and perspectives, that we either have to play by the rules or fade into irrelevance. I just hope we don't start WWIII to avoid facing that reality.

Until then, I'm sorry that our people keep pushing these election brainworms onto everyone in every English language space.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

They dumped Malala real quick the moment she turned a critical eye to US policy.

Heartwarming stories of victims of oppression from other countries? Great.
Critical of oppression caused by the US or a country they are friendly with? Shut up.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

Would you fucking believe it if I told you I get DMs from people “sympathizing with my hardships” but asking me if I could kindly remove my post because of some US election shenanigans.

We must hide atrocities against the innocent, because those atrocities make the less insane right-wing party in another country complicit in supporting the murder of those innocents look bad.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Clearly our lives are just acceptable collateral for people playing what should ostensibly be a very important political game.

Me stating online as someone in the Global North hurts, especially when others scoff at it.
You stating this as someone at risk of being really harmed hurts even more.

I get pushback for saying that I don't agree with killing innocents. "Yes, but you have no choice." Well, that's a shit choice.
I get pushback for saying I do not wish to participate in a system where I am forced to trade the lives of children for my own rights as a queer person, as a feminist, etc. I do not accept that my health and ease are more important than the health and ease of others. Just because people are far away and have a different heritage does not mean I can allow their safety to be reduced so that I may profit.

Fuck this whole system of explicitly regarding the worth of humans based on political convenience. People > politics, people > power, and morality > convenience.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

love this one <3 especially since it's so annoying to see self-described leftists (aka. radlibs) think everyone left of them to be a Russian bot or troll or delusional 💀💀

sry tho @Putin where my Rubles at

[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey, that was me for a good chunk of my life!

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

glad you got over it!

I had some second thoughts about permabanning some ppl here in terms of rehabilitation, but this isn't Reddit, if ppl really changed for the better they could just create an account on another instance in no time to participate here again. And they'd be welcomed back with open arms!

[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

apparently being against imperialism and genocide makes you a Stalinist? lol

[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nah, im with you in this one, but offen when I get into discussions on Lemmy forums, no matter if you base your views on marx and you want a council system, someone will come and front you of being a libtard, and then you waste hours trying to argue with them just to see they are authoritarian to to point where everyone who doesn't love Stalin or thinks minorities shouldn't be oppressed is just a libtard and loves America in their political "spectrum"

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I assume you don't simply mean ppl who are critical of the sham that is bourgeois democracy, especially in the US and won't stick up to ppl "justifying" genocide

If yes, pls report the things you have described above when you see them in this community or any other one I'm modding and it will be dealt with!

[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I should give massive credit to the admins of lemmy.dbzer0.com, they handle the more serious "offenders" very efficiently (including instance-wide bans) and do so from a truly leftist/progressive pov

[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Never heard of being against Stalin as Stalinism.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't get what you mean?

Wasn't the above comment saying that you like Stalin if you're against imperialism and genocide?

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They are saying that Stalin was a genocidal imperialist.

Sure, he wasn't a capitalist genocidal imperialist... but he was still a genocidal imperialist.

EDIT: Unless I am mistaken, English is not your first language.

Being against imperialism and genocide makes you a Stalinist?

Never heard of being against Stalin as Stalinism.

If you do this...

Being against ~~imperialism and genocide~~ Stalin makes you a Stalinist?

or this

Never heard of being against ~~Stalin~~ imperialism and genocide as Stalinism

You can hopefully see that the reply to your post is equivocating Stalin with imperialism and genocide, that is, saying they are one and the same.

You may or may not agree with this, but I'm trying to just illustrate how to understand their reply.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for clearing it up! You are correct, English is not my first language. But I'd like to think I'm on the road to C2/proficiency

Usually I can grasp stuff like this but stress is not rly helping my sleep-deprived brain ^^'

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hey, no problem!

... sometimes a brief reading of someone's previous comments can actually be done in good faith, to attempt to better understand someone...

... even though its often done by poorly intentioned hyperbolic trolls.

But yeah, as with most people I meet in the internet whose first language is not English, but are conversing in it...

You speak and understand English better than most Americans I meet and know in the real world.

Seriously, the average American has the reading comprehension of approximately a 6th or 7th grader... a 12 year old.

Our education system is horrifically bad compared to every other 'developed' nation.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Thank you, kind stranger :)

though I'm curious how you would gauge that based on some comments

better than most Americans

had me thinking of this (satirical) article:
Average number of languages spoken by North Americans falls to 0.7

💀💀

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm throwing this all in a spoiler as its a wall of text and pretty far off topic

though I'm curious how you would gauge that based on some comments

A short explanation would be:

You can understand words with 5 or more syllables.

You do not speak almost entirely in slang/memes derived from TikTok.

You have the patience to read multiple sentences and paragraphs before responding, and you respond to the entirety of what was said, as opposed to ... just a small fraction of it.

... And, this isn't really reading comprehension, but you do not require repeated praise to continue a conversation, nor do you get irrationally angry when someone suggests you may not be understanding something correctly.

But this is not what I'd call 'better than most Americans in general'.

Its 'better than most Americans I talk to in person.'

Its a long story, but I ended up homeless for around a year... while disabled.

Barely managed to end up at a shitty roach motel for most of this year.

Basically all of my 'neighbors' are constantly screaming at each other, getting into fights, occasionally shooting or stabbing each other (lady upstairs got taken out on a stretcher two nights ago)... and all they ever talk about when they aren't assaulting each other is drugs, idiotic ideas about how to fix their cars that haven't moved in a year, who stole what from who when, who owes who money...

... yeah.

Poverty, bellicosity, and ignorance often go hand in hand.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

thank you for your feedback. Also I'm sorry you had to go through that....

Though I do not think that the people are at fault. Just like someone starving isn't guilty of stealing at a grocery store (if you saw someone shoplifting, no you didn't)

It's the material circumstances, an unjust education system and the resulting cultural/social situation that drive the things you've described and all that stems from capitalist exploitation (and the material conditions it causes)

I think X put it quite well:

When you live in a poor neighborhood, you are living in an area where you have poor schools. When you have poor schools, you have poor teachers. When you have poor teachers, you get a poor education. When you get a poor education, you can only work in a poor-paying job. And that poor-paying job enables you to live again in a poor neighborhood. So, it's a very vicious cycle.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Tbf there's a difference between lefty and leftist

I mean, they don't know what it is, but

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I had the same reaction when I found out I'm a Russian Asset

same with me lol.
apparently using Cyrillic for my display name (cuz my fam is from Russia) and thinking that "protecting" minorities domestically doesn't justify militant imperialism and genocide qualifies me for being a "right-wing troll" or "Russian/Iranian/Chinese bot" 💀💀

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is a gif on desktop, but shows up as a still photo for me on Eternity. Anyone have insight on that?

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Eternity has issues with GIFs and videos (it's my main client as well)

your post shows fine on Jerboa and Voyager

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

Awesome, thanks!

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 3 weeks ago

Also works fine on Memmy.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Try tapping on it! in the full picture mode things tend to show up better