Bush was also before the Tea Party split. Those are the crazies that left the Republicans and came up with people like Ted Cruz. Then they rejoined the Republican party and threw them much further right, as we've seen with the Maga movement.

You are correct. Honestly fuck every person who downplays trump. People downplayed him into the Whitehouse twice now and everything you pointed out proves them wrong as fuck.

Bush at least had respect for the institution of the President and the Constitution. This fool respects nothing and no one.

Ah how time sands away the rough edges of our memories.

Bush created an illegal prison to hold "suspected terrorists" indefinitely without charges or trials. Bush had literal CIA black sites around the world for the explicit purpose of evading US law. Bush had a legal memo drafted for the explicit purpose of instituting a torture program. Can I get an Abu Ghraib up in here? Mass surveillance of Americans, Bush invented the Patriot act and fisa warrantless taps! So many chestnuts like "Your either with us or with the terrorists" "See something say something" as an explicit way to turn Americans against each other, to compel loyalty to death leader or else be labeled a terrorist. Speak out against Bush's lies about the Iraq war, well how about an administration official leaks to the NYT blowing the cover of your spy wife to put her in danger as revenge, and then pardon the fucker who did it? To say nothing about getting Medicare, opposition to lgbtq rights, no child left behind bullshit, voter restrictions, and I can't just not give a big what's up to Hurricane Katrina! Fuck the "unitary executive" theory is a Bush era creation. That's just the stuff I personally remember, without even looking up a greatest hits list of Bush shit.

Oh yeah, Bush wasn't even elected the first time! The conservative supreme court in a 5-4 opinion installed him!

Trump is the first president not to accept the results of an election, to undermine democracy directly. I'll give you that, and in some ways he's a very unique threat in that way. But he is not the first president to stretch presidential authority, to abuse his power, to break democratic norms, to stomp on civil rights, etc. We're talking here about Bush, but don't forget Nixon and Reagan also existed!

Yes this is bad, maybe uniquely bad, but one thing we have going for us is Trump and the people around him are highly incompetent. That was not true in the Bush years. We can fight him and we can defeat Trumpism. So long as elections happen, we can stop the worst of Trump. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the country that reelected Bush even after all that shit, turned around 4 years later and elected a progressive (by the days standards) black candidate with the middle name huessain, and voters did it by a landslide. It took a lot of work to get there, but we as a country did it before and can do it again. There is hope.

The only differences there are between Bush and Trump are that Bush succeeded in stealing an election and was smart enough to try to hide his evil shit and soften it with Orwellian language instead of crowing about it from the rooftops.

The danger is more that the systems that resisted Bush's fascism have been weakened, namely the Supreme Court.

Bush literally stole the election. Democratic framework my ass. He implemented all the draconian spy and warcrime immunity laws that still exist in the US to this day. He is so far away from the democratic framework its not even visible anymore.

In 2003/2004 would people have said the same thing compared to Reagan, or Nixon? That compared to Bush, Reagan seems downright reasonable, or compared to Bush, Nixon seams down right reasonable?

I remember a lot of protests against The Patriot Act? And against Guantanamo Bay?

I remember a lot of right-wing patriotism sweeping through the USA and people being condemned for not falling in line.

Are you sure 2003/2004 was a more reasonable time?

I felt like this when Bush and Cheney won, but ultimately justice prevailed. By the way did you hear Bush and Cheney endorsed Kamala? 😍

At least 5 times worse.

Thanks, I needed to read this comment. I've been struggling with a way to reframe my thoughts so that everything doesn't feel so dire and futile that there's no point in even trying. This helped a lot.

Yeah -- this sounds more of a reasonable argument.

Hot Nuclear War for 2028, if we're all gonna die at least make it quick.