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Manjaro is experimenting with **opt-out telemetry | Hacker News (More like op-out spying) (news.ycombinator.com)
submitted 1 day ago by vordalack@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Why are distro communities turning linux more and more into Windows and Mac OS clones?

This is why I use Arch.

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[–] lemmus@szmer.info 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Great...Right now, when I was thinking about finally installing Manjaro (I saw its for noobs, pretty well designed, i'm tired of "power users" distros). What else then? I used EOS, it was buggy sometimes errors etc., I use cachyOS and all the time errors and problems, but i just don't care anymore, Ubuntu is corporate's shit, maybe Mint or Fedora? Actually, I kinda liked flatpak recently, maybe I could live without AUR he? But on the other hand I need this rolling release cycle, thats why I hoped Manjaro is such "stable arch", I'm nvidia user...

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Could also check out openSUSE if you don't mind the lack of an AUR

[–] DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

EndeavorOS is what you want, fits the same niche but without being fucking Manjaro. :-)

[–] lemmus@szmer.info 1 points 55 minutes ago

Well I tried, it was better than cachyOS now, but still it was not so for noobs, i had to fix many problems using it

[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

since a third of manjaro is coming form austria, i apologize ⅓ times for its existence

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm usually a defender of opt-out telemetry in Linux, what with it usually being trivial to untick in the installer, the telemetry not being invasive, the telemetry being private and not being able to identify people, it being used to actually benefit Linux rather than make money, and because opt-in telemetry is useless (as repeatedly stated by multiple Linux projects that I trust, such as KDE and Gnome)...

That said, holy shit this telemetry collects stuff it really should not be collecting. This is not what Linux telemetry should be. Doubly so from a distro with a troubled past in terms of management and security. This is a red flag.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Manjaro manages to do just about everything wrong for one reason or another. They're trying to be the Canonical of the Arch ecosystem and they're not even close to competent enough to pull it off.

I'm sure they'll find some way to DDOS something with their own telemetry sooner or later.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, I don't understand why people use it, it's just more buggy Arch. If you really don't want to deal with the installer, use an installer like Endeavor OS.

Or if you think Arch is unstable, use a different distro, because Manjaro is worse. I like openSUSE Tumbleweed (also rolling, but much more reliable), and there are tons of other great distros (Fedora/Garuda, Debian/Mint, etc). Use pretty much anything but Manjaro...

[–] Dezzorian@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

For gaming rigs, check out Garuda, imo a pretty nice Arch distro without telemetry and easy installation.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 100 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Friends don't let friends use Manjaro

Use EndeavourOS or another Arch derivative instead.

[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or just plain arch. Installing it with archinstall isn't that hard

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

And it's a one-time thing, then you just pacman - Syu into the sunset. Consider setting up btrfs with snapshots, which is a life saver when an update goes bad. I use snapper on openSUSE Tumbleweed and it has saved me from bad NVIDIA updates a couple of times, which is the main reason I switched from Arch a few years ago.

[–] MissyBee@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Oh boy looks like my weekend will be spend learning and trying to install Arch without a graphical installer. To be fair Manjaro on my laptop was my first try at Arch. I never thought how much I will come to like AUR.

EndevaourOS is already on my gaming rig so plain Arch for my laptop seems like a good challenge. Farewell Manjaro, I learned a lot

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

I highly recommend BTRFS as your root filesystem, and then configure snapshots. This way if an update goes sideways (pretty rare), you can roll back and wait for fixes.

I haven't used Arch for a few years, but my openSUSE Tumbleweed install came with it by default, and it has saved me a few times in the 7 or so years I've used it. Maybe the new instructions include that, idk, but you'll be glad you have it.

[–] AkatsukiLevi@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

After you figure out how to properly partition your disk, you learn how the entire setup is actually quite simple Basically, Mount partitions, pacstrap to install the base system, generate fstab, chroot in, create a unprivileged user and add it to sudo, setup grub, configure internet, exit chroot and unmount, reboot into the newly installed system, configure X11/Wayland to your liking

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Installing Arch is a lot easier than fixing a bad Manjaro update. I get that it's intimidating, but it's really quite easy if you can follow instructions, but budget a couple hours your first time because you'll probably second-guess everything. The second time should be more like 30 min.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 9 points 1 day ago

Going to second other comments. Even without archinstall. It feels like it will be harder than it is. Umm, just save yourself a bit of time and configure the network and install a console editor (nano/vim whatever) while in the chroot (if going full manual). It was a minor pain to work around that for me.

There are pages discussing how to do everything (helps to have a laptop with browser, or a phone to look them up). At the end, you generally know exactly what you installed (OK no-one watches all the dependencies), and I've found any borks that happen easy to fix because I know what I installed.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

the archinstall script is officially supported and very straightforward. like, almost Calamares-but-in-TUI straightforward.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not that hard, just read the install guides and instructions. My first Arch install was like 8y ago and I expected it to be difficult - it wasn't.

[–] AkatsukiLevi@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Meanwhile my first Gentoo system... I was expecting to be not so bad.... Holy f I was wrong

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The compile times are abusive on older hardware for sure

[–] AkatsukiLevi@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I got a Xeon E3-1220 V3, thought it'd handle well A whole ass day and it still wasn't done

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Oh, you can vote whether it should be opt-in or opt-out.
Oh, voting requires "Trust level 1".

Anyway, I may stop donating to Manjaro due to this. Now I just go with Arch anyway. archinstall even makes it quick to setup a VM.

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I had a forum account from long ago that I barely use and even I was able to vote ... so if you had an account there, give it a try and vote!

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The only thing archinstall script misses for me is option for flatpak setup from the get go

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago

Opt out telemetry is annoying. There's no guarantee it doesn't send before I've had a chance to disable.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

If I were using Manjaro right now, at the first opportunity, I would be switching to something else. Too much enshitification happening everywhere, and people need to start voting with their "wallets" to stop these greedy fucks.

[–] thurstylark@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Finally time to update manjarno.snorlax.sh again -_-

[–] rxin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That URL doesn't seem to be working.

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I was just getting used to using Manjaro for my dev machines due to rolling release. Gotta find new flavor now.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Well Debian doesn't have a rolling distro, does it?

It was something that underpinned your choice and now it's not. I'm not sure why you said gotta find when you already knew the answer.

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

Got into rolling release very recently with Manjaro (realized Debian doesn't have rolling release). Just started getting used to arch packaging. I wouldn't consider myself knowledgeable in rolling release options

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Reliable and up to date.

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Haven't touched suse ecosystem since they were suse. Now I just feel comfortable with Debian or arch.

[–] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Consider Endeavour.

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yup saw it recommended in one of the comments as well, I'll look it up.

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