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"But what about that latin american kid I've met in college who said that all the left has ever done in latin america has been bad?"

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I've spent a bit of time in the country, it's beautiful and if you like slow cooked BBQ the food is amazing.

But I've had this same conversation a million fucking times. People love their new libertarian incel president because of his "common sense" reforms. And the changing economy is "proof socialism doesn't work"

Like yeah, ok buddy. The "left" ideology is essentially 3rd way dem BS. The founder of Peronism was a simp for fucking Mussolini.

Lots of very strong opinions from people that have no fucking clue what left wing economics are or can be. It drives me insane. Like, outside of the MAGA freaks, back home people at least know the difference when I talk about this kinda shit.

Anyone else encounter this? Like there's more semi-mainstream socialist movements in LATAM, no? Why do people think these Peronist bitches are socialists?

I said my piece

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[–] WasteTime@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Anyone else encounter this?

Of course, the "This country is shit because socialism/communism happened" bullshit is quite common, most people have no political education, that culture was destroyed during the last dictatorship (76-83). Ask them when was the last time the socialists ran the country and they'll confuse them for peronists, they can't differentiate between ideologies. Next time ask them why did Peron incarcerated communists while he was in power. They won't have a clue about what you are saying.

Only a deeply ignorant population could have voted for Milei, as a candidate he promised he'd implement the same economic policies that have already failed a dozen times in the last 50 years. He expressed admiration for fucking Margaret Thatcher during a presidential debate, what else can be said after that?

Argentina is the perfect example of a country where you don't need to send your own soldiers to occupy and colonize it. First, destroy their syndicates, student movements and cultural expressions through their own armed forces. Then once "democracy" is back, cut funds to education, health, etc. and control the main news sources, finance NGOs, bribe their politicians for 2 cents. Flood the media with Hollywood crap and the worst mainstream music. Use mercenary "journalists" to reiterate the idea that it is all your neighbor's fault and you are in constant danger, don't trust anybody.

The final product is an anglophile population with no roots, no memory and no collective identity who doesn't have anything good to claim as their own. Their only hope is to migrate to Europe or USA. "The only way out is the airport" is a common saying.

Argentina only exists in name, it is not a real country as it has no sovereignty (high dependence on US dollar, other countries prey on its waters for fish and its mountains for minerals, etc). Their bourgeoisie always has one foot on America/Europe and if things go to shit they are immune, they send their profits overseas without paying taxes. When they need to put some of that dirty money back the government forgives them by decree because it is desperate for USD. Also, American and Israeli embassies are de facto part of the government, is there anything else to add? Politicians visiting the embassy perform a long standing tradition.

Football is the only means of expression left for fake national fervor and some pathetic semblance of collective unity, comprised of eleven multi-millionaires playing for FIFA and a mob of idiots who will raise their flag for the show, never for a real cause. It's all a mock up. There is no real nation.

[–] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Chief,imma be real with you,that sounds exactly like Romania or any former Eastern Bloc country sans Belarus or Russia,with some small diffrences

[–] WasteTime@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wish I knew more about those countries, I've heard similar things happened starting at the late 80s. It's almost as if they had a recipe for cultural annihilation, once you break the spirit of a nation all you have is atomized individuals highly manageable for foreign Capital.

There is one particular story a good commie friend of mine likes to tell, he worked at several radio stations and in the music industry during the 50 to 70s period, he saw how the dictatorship governments applied censorship to Tango and Folklore as a tool to neutralize any subversive expression while allowing American record companies to take control of the market, distorting the artists work to make it "more marketable", introducing foreign trends. That's when I understood his distaste for rock music. Not all rock of course, but the bland, harmless and simplistic version of it.

A lot of good artists had to exile the country and some took bad decisions giving in to the big records demands.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Belarus and Russia aren't much different, sadly. And Latin America is actually pretty similar to Eastern Europe in its social, economic and political structure due to similar positions in the current world order.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

The curse of being a NATO/ MNNA country, of which Argentina is an MNNA country

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dated an Argentinian immigrant to the US whose father left the country during the 1980s. They were anticommunists because the communists took over Argentina and persecuted everyone. By "the communists" they mean the military junta that's most infamous for persecuting communists.

[–] bunitor 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

socialism is when you murder communists. the more you murder communists, the more socialism there is

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

First the communists came for the communists, and I spoke up for I am a communist

[–] Piment@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

That's what happens when you dissapear a minumum 20k leftists from your society, those people and their children would have been some of the better organizers and agitators now if they weren't dead

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lmao

This is crakkker on crakkker violence

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Like there's more semi-mainstream socialist movements in LATAM, no?

Forming your political opinion on LATAM based on your experience with Argentines is insane shit my guy

It’s like eating a bear’s ass and assuming all ass tastes bad

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

It’s sort of like that in Guatemala but not nearly as bad. Our largest “socialist” party are just Berniecrats and people think of them when they hear socialism, although the negative association isn’t really there anymore. It used to be similar to what you’re experiencing so this is actually an improvement lol

[–] Mokey2@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

thats kind of just most people tbh w u. all the venezuelans i know have very strong opinions, but havent read a single book in their lives.