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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 91 points 2 days ago (71 children)

It's so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It's genocide, and it's horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can't save Gaza immediately, it's really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.

I wouldn't say they're gone though. I've been down voted, told "my kind/type" are all talk, or that I'm okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn't sit and do nothing.

But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we're moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I appreciate the level headed take.

Because we can’t save Gaza immediately

What do you mean by this? That the president can't or that voters can't because their choice is voting genocide or worse genocide?

The dems have been taught a lesson

Based on the response of the media, and elected democrats, no they haven't lol. They're blaming the left.

but their conscious is clear, somehow

I think this is reductive and does not acknowledge why many people did not vote democrat.

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[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kamala "Frack the Planet" Harris was not going to save the planet.

I'm comfortable with my decision to not vote for genocide, and I will continue to not vote for warhawks.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

You did vote for genocide though. You can tell yourself whatever it is that you think you need to hear in order to preserve your sanity, but you are directly, partly, responsible for what happens next.

I hope you will be paying attention.

And if Harris would have won, and if she would have nominated Mike Huckabee, and if she would have been doing the things that Trump is about to do in the coming months, I would be saying and feeling the same way about myself.

It's called being honest with yourself. You should try it sometime.

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[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 146 points 2 days ago (73 children)

There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.

[–] Altomes@lemm.ee 90 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well yeah, otherwise they’d have to consider actually changing their shit strategy

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Even after all this the DNC are already bowing down to the fascist position because they lost because they were “too woke”.

This is when the democrats were already running a far right platform of “we want to fund the police, not defund them”, following Trump’s border policy, “most lethal army”, “Israel must expand its borders”, “I’ll have a Republican in my cabinet”. And they weren’t “woke” at all. Kamala threw trans people in the trash saying “we’ll follow the law” when it comes to trans issues. It was the Republicans who were running hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attack ads on trans people and democrats weren’t saying shit.

The DNC have once again failed to learn and are looking for a “centrist” chair, doing exactly the same thing of shutting down leftist voices and trying to appeal to and compromise with the fascists instead of listening to people like Bernie and AOC.

You’d think after they utterly failed and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and get an out and proud fascist elected they would finally learn that they need to address the real issues that affect all working class people.

The ratchet effect is real.

The Republican critique of the democrats is kind of right in a way in that they are just the same rich people not doing anything about the cost of living and only using identity politics to “virtue signal”. They’re right wingers with rainbow flags. That doesn’t do much for oppressed minorities except make us the target of attacks. What would benefit queer and other oppressed minorities more is build a society in which we can afford homes to live in, food to eat, access to healthcare. But they want to make it all about pronouns because that is easy for them to look like they’re someone “on the left”, when economically they’re not on the left at all.

There’s really no hope with the DNC. We just need to organize in our own communities because the democrats certainly aren’t coming to save anyone.

[–] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

they need to address the real issues that affect all working class people.

But of course this would mean clawing back some concessions from the capitalist class, and they own both parties, so....nope.

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[–] doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 84 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (55 children)

Real Talk, I'm getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.

I legit don't care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn't Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.

Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn't stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so "in support of genocide". It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.

Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can't stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people's lives, that doesn't mean they are your enemies.

Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.

[–] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

This might actually be the single best comment in this thread.

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