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Maybe you haven't been convinced by a good enough argument. Maybe you just don't want to admit you are wrong. Or maybe the chaos is the objective, but what are you knowingly on the wrong side of?

In my case: I don't think any games are obliged to offer an easy mode. If developers want to tailor a specific experience, they don't have to dilute it with easier or harder modes that aren't actually interesting and/or anything more than poorly done numbers adjustments. BUT I also know that for the people that need and want them, it helps a LOT. But I can't really accept making the game worse so that some people get to play it. They wouldn't actually be playing the same game after all...

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[–] gjoel@programming.dev 1 points 10 minutes ago

Pronouns. I get that they matter a lot to some people, and of course it's super annoying (if not worse) to be referred to in the wrong way, but I find it unreasonable to demand being referred to something outside of the gender binary, simply because that's the way language works.

I am aware that English has used "they" for a person of unknown gender for ages, but for one, I don't think it's something that you should demand people call you when they actually know your gender, but also I really hate that this is making its way into other languages like my own, that has never had this convention. Inventing entirely new pronouns is just ridiculous, I have a hard enough time to remember your name.

I am also aware that language evolves, but this is not evolution, it's forced, and if one group of people can try to force a change they prefer, I'm as much in my right to resist it if I don't like it.

People are super passionate about this though and in fifty years I'm sure I'll be seen as a fossil for not getting with the times now - in fact I'm sure certain people see me like this now.

Veganism. I don't have any problems with most vegans. Most go through a phase of trying to convert you, but the ones I know and associate with have come out the other side. We all know that these positions would make the world a better place. I don't think I have the will to do it. Might be wrong though.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 15 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

OP, you've made the classic mistake of putting your opinion in the post instead of as a comment, now everyone is replying to your opinion in top level comments instead of your question.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 36 minutes ago

This is the best practice, especially for AskLemmy but it also applies to news and other media threads. It's best to put your personal thoughts and opinions in a top-level reply, while keeping the post body to clarifications or summary of the posted question or media.

[–] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org -1 points 4 hours ago

It's hard for me to know whether or not I'm on the wrong side of an argument. When people turn into bastards and brigade on me whenever I make an opinion on things. It's hard to tell sometimes because, maybe their asshole-ness just validates what I expressed and I' actually in the right. Who knows.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 34 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I’ll answer your question!

Pretty sure I’m on the wrong side of vegetarianism. I love animals, I think they’re worthy of love and consideration from us. I know becoming a vegetarian or vegan would reduce harm to animals, and I’m pretty sure it’s the morally correct thing to do. It’s also hard, it’s alienating, and I know every time I’ve attempted it in the past it’s triggered disordered eating.

My current stance is that society should embrace vegetarianism. If the government were to make a law granting animals status that protected them from being killed for food, I’d support that as a moral good. However, I’m not willing to be fully vegetarian in a carnivorous society, there are too many drawbacks. I know this is hypocritical and kinda intellectually pathetic of me but there it is :(

[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

My mother does wildlife rescues, birds are mostly, then goes home and cooks a roast chicken.

She knows it's hypocritical. Cognitive dissonance is weird.

Also, it's not so alienating. I attend dinners with my family, and I'll eat roast vegies, and bring a side-dish for myself. Over time a few of my friends became vegan (I didn't convince them to) and it's exciting to share recipes.

If nothing else, reduce your meat intake over time.

As with most changes people make, the more drastic, the more unlikely it is to stick.

When I became vegan I was a slut for KFC burgers, and I "failed" a few times, but I just kept reminding myself it's not good for anyone, and mustered up the will power to drive past, and eat at home instead.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve definitely reduced my intake, I just can’t apply the principle in a strict way. And the “alienating“ comment is just my own experience, I’m glad you didn’t have that issue! This isn’t intended to dissuade anyone from trying to be vegetarian, like I said I think I’m on the wrong side of this. It just personally has been difficult to fully align my moral principles and my actions on this matter.

[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 3 points 5 hours ago

You're not alone in not living up to your principles, virtually nobody can.

I once tried to vet all the products I was buying to make sure I wasn't contributing to slave labour, or deforestation, or animal exploitation, and it was exhausting.

It was good to identify brands which were absolute villains, and I still avoid them like the plague, but the amount of willpower it takes to travel to multiple stores and pick only the lesser of evils is something I'm not capable of right now.

I make gradual improvements, which is sustainable.

I am dead-set on repairing what I can, and hate spending money on new things.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago

Good example. I also feel like vegetarianism is probably correct, but I still haven't gone that way.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 8 hours ago

I'm all in on lab grown protein

Opinions change, but sometimes the discussion doesn’t come up a second time. There are more than a few positions I’ve taken that I’ve since changed my mind about, one of which is certifications. While not necessarily a requirement in IT, having one would be immensely helpful right now, and so would having any kind of degree. Not only would it assist with a job search, but I’ve also been looking into moving to another country, and these things are almost always listed as something they look for during approval.

I’ve also been on the wrong side of whether or not to change career paths.

I’m trying to get back into gaming, and one of the things I appreciate most is a true, authentic experience that the developer intended, not something that was trimmed down or made easier for the sake of bringing in the most money or using other gimmicks to increase player count. I used to think it was best to include an easy mode, but after experiencing it, I can see it’s really not the same game, like you said. This was a relatively recent realization, too, one that I didn’t know I was on the wrong side of until I saw it firsthand.

Distro choice is another issue. I didn’t want to admit that I’ve fallen behind on that one, but I’m trying to get into some of the gaming-specific distros now after seeing what’s available.

I’ve been doing a lot of self-reflection, and these are just a few of the things I’ve realized I was wrong about. It’s not that I needed to be convinced of anything; I just couldn’t admit it for whatever reason. I’m trying to work on a lot of things right now.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Imo, games shouldn't have an easy or a hard mode. They should progress from easy to hard. Think super mario world.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 2 points 13 hours ago

I generally agree, but I will say, it's damn hard to get back into games like this after time passes.

The most extreme example would be Super Mario Maker, where some custom levels need game knowledge from a wide array of the various games, so if you don't know that in SM2 you can pickup snowballs, you might get stuck for a while.

A normal example would be like Vanquish, where if you take a break near the end of the game the sheer level of technical necessity the game requires can make it very difficult to get back into it.

But those are extreme examples. Another example would be something like Mario Kart or Super Smash Bros., where everyone has their sort of muscle memory with these games. I played Melee competitively and I came back to the game and it was like riding a bike, or a Souls game, while hard, is just one boss at a time and the game itself doesn't have too much technical growth.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 18 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I am always on the right side of any discussion. Otherwise I wouldn't be on that side.

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 1 points 37 minutes ago

I have been bashed for saying sth similar in response to "you think your opinions are better than other people's opinions". Duh, yeah? Otherwise I would hold the other opinion.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of people seem to feel this way. Don’t let it become a tautology, however. It’s your opinion because you think it’s correct, NOT it’s correct because it’s your opinion. For example, plenty of folks justify homophobia because gay people make them feel icky and never examine whether or not their intuition is actually correct. You still have a responsibility to examine your conclusions on a topic and readjust as necessary!

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 1 points 36 minutes ago

It’s your opinion because you think it’s correct, NOT it’s correct because it’s your opinion.

Exactly this.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

I'm glad you are like that, but dometimes people want to be convinced of the opposite side but haven't been able to, yet.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yep. I don't argue for things I don't believe are the side I should be on. Sometimes I make tongue-in-cheek arguments (think A Modest Proposal) but that's not in a discussion. I don't get into arguments as a sport or to make people angry, so why ever be on a side I think is 'wrong'?

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 10 points 16 hours ago

I don’t think any games are obliged to offer an easy mode.

That's a valid stance. It's ok to make art which is not intended for everyone, or even the majority.

However, if you're charging people money for it and they are surprised by the difficulty and can't enjoy it as a result, I think that could be a potential ethical issue. But if you make it clear it's a difficult, challenging game, then I see no problem.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 35 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (11 children)

Adding an easy or "story" mode to a game doesn't inherently make it worse. You can still play it with difficulty cranked up to "Dark Souls" or whatever. The fact that there is a separate mode that others can use does not affect you; you need not use it yourself.

"Story mode" is actually an accessibility option in disguise: it can let people who have difficulty with fine motor control, reaction times, or understanding visual and auditory prompts to enjoy the art alongside everyone else. Instead of cheapening the game, it actually expands its influence on the world.

All that being said, no, no game is strictly obligated to be accessible, but why cheapen your art by not making it so?

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 2 points 34 minutes ago

“Story mode” is actually an accessibility option in disguise: it can let people who have difficulty with fine motor control, reaction times, or understanding visual and auditory prompts to enjoy the art alongside everyone else.

This is very insightful.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 20 hours ago

I mean, if you want your story to reach broad audiences, story mode is good. If you have an artistic vision and can only see your story learned as such, do that. Not supplying story mode is like not supplying condiments at a restaurant. Limiting your client base.

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[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 5 points 15 hours ago

The right way to comment on this post is not to answer OPs question, but rather offer your take on their take.

I did all the things at once!

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Asking (paraphrasing) "hey what are you wrong about but unwilling to admit?" and then sticking a (metaphorical) "I think Nickleback is a pretty good band" opinion in the middle of it feels like a harder challenge than the designers of AskLemmy were intending

That is why askreddit banned "I'll start", half the comments were replies to the OP instead of sharing their own experiences.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I thought about it a bit when making this post and I felt like not giving an example would make people come with crazy political opinions which would probably be a bad time. Maybe it still wasn't the best approach, admittedly.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Maybe giving the example in a separate top-level comment would have worked better. Interesting discussion either way, though.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 14 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

There isn’t really a “right” side to that one. If developers want to disappoint some potential customers and leave money on the table by not creating an easy mode, that’s their prerogative.

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

That human rights really matter in the coming upheaval. The doomsday glacier is probably insurmountable for civ to overcome and that level of change in sea level within a decade to century and a half is going to change everything. Most of the worlds cities are not viable. From what I have seen, the long estimates are all biased and unreliable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yEj9JVRhjA

On the bright side, speculative long term land investments might yield a large sum of money. Shallow keel ferry and airboat operators stand to make a fortune.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Well, this thread was entertaining until I read this comment

Not mad though, this is what people should be talking about

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[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago (13 children)

You know you don't have to play the easy mode right? You can just change the mode in the settings. Most games default to the standard version anyway.

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