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Hi, I am a guy in early thirties with a wife and two kids and whenever I go on youtube it always suggests conservative things like guys dunking on women, ben shapiro reacting to some bullshit, joe rogan, all the works. I almost never allow it to go to that type of video and when I do it is either by accident or by curiosity. My interest are gaming, standup comedy, memes, react videos, metalurgy, machining, blacksmithing, with occasional songs and videos about funny bullshit and I am not from america and I consider myself pretty liberal if I had to put it into terms used in america. But european liberal, so by american standards a socialist. Why does it recommend this shit to me, is this some kind of vector for radicalization of guys in my category? Do you have similar experience?

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[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I think such content gets most engagement. Dunking on leftist ideas brings right wingers celebrating and parroting the piece while pissed left wingers trying to explain why the argument doesn't make sense.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I get right wing stuff only on YouTube shorts typically. And I think it's because I'll watch them. I find it interesting in a detached sense.

Good to know what you're up against. Same reason I try and watch as many Trump speeches as I reasonably can.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It sees you like standup comedy (POTENTIALLY ANTI-WOKE) and gaming (POTENTIALLY INCEL) and in your 30s (LIKELY HAS SOME DISPOSABLE INCOME)

So it's pipelining you to the annals of YouTube that check those boxes, have very good viewer retention and have good user engagement.

The ones with good user engagement are the ones that raise your blood pressure. They make you angry. So, politics, or dirty cops, interrogations, murder stories, stuff like that.

You can resist them all you want, but stuff that makes people angry and chatty and commenty and re-watchy is like cocaine to the algorithm. It makes them money, so they spam it everywhere it even remotely makes sense to try to get you stuck in their quicksand.

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You can view what Google "knows" about you on your account settings. I made my account when I was very young, I lied about my age and my gender, then it made assumptions based on my interests of my professional situation. I guess many people in my gender and age group, sharing my actual interests (tech, movies, culture, food) are also interested in the kind of content you described (Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Yiannopolous, etc). I keep clicking "not interested", but the algorithm keep suggesting these videos to me. I don't mind that Google doesn't know my politics. I'm a feminist, but there's really not a lot of interesting discourse about feminism on Youtube, so I just read and attend real life lectures instead.

[–] borlax@lemmy.borlax.com 4 points 1 year ago

Because controversy makes money and conservatism is filled with controversial opinions and purposely obtuse takes intended to spark conversation and promote divisiveness. That’s the grift.

[–] erogenouswarzone@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they piss you off, you will stay on their platform longer, and they make more money.

That is the sad truth of EVERY social network.

Lemmy might not be that advanced yet, but as soon as they get big enough to need ads to pay for bandwidth and storage, soon after they will add algorithms that will show you stuff that pisses you off.

One way to combat this is to take a break from the site. Usually after a week, when you come back it will be better for a while.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it has more to do with the stuff you watch than wanting to piss you off.

All YouTube recommends to me are videos of kpop, dog grooming, Kitten Lady, and some Friesian horse stable that went across my feed once. Oh, and some historical sewing stuff.

If they started recommended stuff that pissed me off, I wouldn't bother going back except for direct videos linked from elsewhere.

Edit: Rereading what OP said they watch, their interests are primary interests of the right wing in the US. If they don't train the algorithm they don't want it, the algorithm doesn't know that those interests don't intersect.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like others have said, the things you watch are prime interests for right wing in the US. You have to train the algorithm that you don't want it.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think the algorithm is so distorted by right-wing engagement that it will end up recommend right-wing content, even if you actively try to avoid it. I watch youtube shorts and I always skip if it's Shapiro, Peterson, Tate or Pierce Morgan. I also skip the moment I feel like the shorts might be right-wing. Scroll enough and eventually the algorithm will go "How about some Shapiro, Peterson, Tate or Morgan?" Give it enough time and it will always try to feed you right-wing content.

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[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

"The calls are coming from inside the house"~~__****

[–] Dohnakun@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just ignore the recommendations, it's mostly bulkshit anyway.

[–] omidmnz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-recommended-videos/ Unhook "ignore"s them for me! It is available for other browsers too.

[–] IDe@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

The best way to tune the algorithm on Youtube is to aggressively prune your watch/search history.
Even just one "stereotypical" video can cause your recommendations to go to shit.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

This can't be any more clearer

Android TV- install smartnexttube Android phone- Set private DNS to Nextdns and block all ads + install firefox w/ unlock origin Or if you want an app install - newpipe from fdroid app store

[–] ScotinDub@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I used to get reasonable content as per my interests. Now after having a kid its just baby songs and bluey. I use smarttubenext on a firestick so at least I don't get ads but it's not great.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can see what Google (thinks it) knows about you.

  • Go to your Google Account (https://myaccount.google.com)
  • Manage your Google Account
  • Select Privacy and personalisation.
  • Under this Data & privacy page you'll find History Settings, Ad Settings, and more.
  • For example, go to Ad Settings and click on Ad Personalization.
  • Now you'll see How your ads are personalized.

I think you can even remove stuff if you want.

[–] 80085@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If I use a private window, and don't log in I get a lot of right-wing stuff. I've noticed it probably depends on IP/location as well. If at work, youtube seems recommend me things other people at the office listen to.

If I'm logged in, I only get occasional right-wing recommendations interspersed with the left-wing stuff I typically like. About 1/20 videos are right-wing.

YouTube Shorts is different. It's almost all thirst-traps and right-wing, hustle culture stuff for me.

It could also be because a lot of the people who watch the same videos you do tend to also watch right-wing stuff.

In general, the algorithm tries to boost the stuff that maximizes "engagement," which is usually outrage-type stuff.

[–] SaltySalamander@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why does it recommend this shit to me

Because you, or someone using your account, has watched this type of shit in the past.

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[–] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fix the input not the algorithm - either disable watch history, or clear it of anyone who you don't trust their viewers to recommend positive channels.

If you watch something that turns out to worsen your experience, purge it from the view history, undo any likes and remove any comments.

[–] Still@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and use the do not recommend chanel button

[–] MiloSquirrel@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I'm convinced that button just reccomends them more. I've clicked it for quartering some 30 times before I got a browser plugin to just outright block channels.

And youtube still tries to send me his videos.

[–] megane_kun@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

My "YTβ„’ experience" has gotten a lot better ever since I started avoiding it altogether and opted to watch videos through an alternative frontend. I do get a fairly different "popular" feed, but I mostly ignore that and go directly to my subscriptions feed instead.

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