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Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[–] sweet_pecan@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

good post!!

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I just wanted to use this time to remeber Brian Thomas , the CEO of United Health

A Man so Brilliant he made it the 8th most Profitable company in the World ! The World ! all whily beeing unable to expand outsite of the USA , he extraxted so much wealth! from only America , what a genius and Briliant Buisnessleader we have Lost . All because this Scum and enemy of the Workingclass, this persona that has "wrong thought" Killed him. A Father , A Husband .. A Health Provider .. Children! , why would you want to Associate or Celebrate such Heinous and Uncivil Acts agains the Perfect status Qou.

Dont you see that it is All Is Provided For ?

Ligie had wrongthought ("Non-violence keeps the system working at full speed ahead" for example .)

And there are Many People Like him in America ! , Heros like Brian Thomsen Protect you from them , dont you see ?

Without Legs , they can not hunt you ..

Without Glasses , they can not see you

without Teeth they can not eat you ..

so please , do not disrupt the natural order of things , and do not let this filth and sin of these unwashed Masses infect your pure thoughts of being "better than this".

You dont want to end up like Luigi , do you ?

Luigi isnt happy now .. do you understand ? And be became this unhappy because he had wrongthink. When you celebrate such heinous acts , you may be inspiring others to become unhappy as well...

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[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mod statement on the lionization of the Lion of Damascus when?

who-must-go

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[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anybody on this site thinking we need to adopt this guy is just impatient. There will be plenty of time to co-opt more resentment against billionaires. That’s like… the entire ideological basis of Marxism. Relax. This dude sucks and the fact that he doesn’t maximally suck is a decent talking point for fomenting fervor in the meantime, but that’s it. Bad guy did a good thing. Highly critical support. Not very complex, it’s really just heartbreaking

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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Just going to copy paste my comment from the other thread, it's just everyone coping with the fact that the assassin is not who they thought he would be. That's the general reaction of the userbase right now. Also some of the comments in here are completely ridiculous, seriously comparing this guy to Hamas or Hezbollah... I hope you're joking because it's very funny to read. But anyways, the copy paste:

In my overly depressing opinion, it's just the userbase going through the 5 stages of grief, because the CEO assassin turned out to be some normal American guy (and that means incoherent right wing politics, that's normal in the USA from what I can tell) with a personal grudge against the health insurance system from having severe surgery. And not the based communist/anarchist antifa super soldier CEO killer that people projected their desires onto him to be. I was also fooled by my first viewing of the video of him shooting the CEO, at first I thought it was a professional level hit. Then after a few rewatches, I realised it was just some guy trying to fix his malfunctioning weapon.

  • First it was denial (he's not the shooter, look at this image that consists of five blurry pixels that I cropped! His nose and eyebrows are different.)

  • Then it was anger (how dare you lionise this chud piece of shit! Look at this social media post from two years ago, he retweeted Elon Musk. He even arse kissed the feds in his manifesto!)

  • Then it's at bargaining (we are here with the responses: He killed a CEO, he's based and still our guy despite his right wing political views!)

  • Next it'll be depression (this will happen when all the energy fizzles out, like it did with BLM, and nothing changes systemically and there are no copycats, and jury nullification starts to look unlikely).

  • Finally it'll be acceptance. (The assassin will end up in jail, healthcare insurance CEO's will hire more security and keep their wearabouts private, people's health insurance premiums will go up and they'll pay them because there is no other choice.)

Again, an overly depressing and dooner outlook. But that seems to be the theme recently.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I don't understand why people are taking this so seriously to the point of going through stages of grief. The shooting is just like how those billionaires got owned in that submarine. It's funny, and the funny event has some value in sussing out the outraged libs, who will 100% snitch on you when the time comes, but this isn't the spark of some mass movement.

People really need to put things into perspective. Lenin didn't like adventurism, but his idea of adventurism was closer to something like clandestinely organized terror cells, not lone wolf individuals. The Narodniks and successive groups were organized. It was a team of 4 who assassinated Alexander II, and even that team was directed by an Executive Committee comprised of 22 people. And Lenin disapproved of them for being adventurists.

And if Lenin disapproved of these organized terror cells, imagine what he has to say to people who think some lone wolf individual would inspire societal change.

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[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (8 children)

GOOD Post.

It's been kinda absurd seeing a site with strong ML principles uncritically embracing a petite bourgeois adventurist with fascist leanings and calling for copycats. As funny as the whole event has been, this debate was settled a century ago and in our era of shareholder imperialism assassination is probably an even less effective strategy than it was back then.

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

At first, I was with the idea of redacting more CEOs. On some level, I still am; but that's EXCEEDINGLY TEMPERED by the knowledge that 1) the company replaced him same day, UPS shipping; and 2) their stock price actually jumped same day before closing bell. UHC profited off Thompson's death; but this is supposed to look like success to the tailists here? I keep questioning what got accomplished other than changing the wind that white folk expel on social media for a couple days.

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[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I have been struggling to think of how to say this constructively but it feels wrong to be mad a guy that did intresting and good things for posting badly. Like, we all post badly. That is why we are here. I think I have seen this emotion in the comments but I am not sure it ever worked out. We have an nearly unprecedented moment of clas solidarity and good vibes so it feels real bad to be upsets about posts at the moment. Especially as the posts don't seem relevant to the moment. So while the take is probably correct I haven't seen any discourse where it would be relevant or good to actually point it out. When someone says how cool the Luigi guy was doing a cool bit if asventurism it doesn't feel relevant to put him down for stuff not in his manifesto. Posting is not praxis. So there is a lower bound for how much posting can be the opposite of praxis. I feel like that is divisive and self defeating in a moment when we should be trying to do something with all this revolutionary energy. We appear to have half a thousand posts of people trying a dialectic process here but I am not sure we are approaching synthesis

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[–] glans@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

why was my post about luigi's github removed? it says "rule 1" so i guess it has to do with this.

i didn't "lionize" him i simply noted that a lot of people have followed him etc. i did not voice any opinion on this and in fact i don't even have an opinion on it. it's just a fact of reality.

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

He’s still hot

I can fix him

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[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can I get some illustrative examples of... le good! vs... le bad! please?

Where do jokes about him being It*lian fall? Comparisons to Nintendo's beloved deuteragonist Luigi Mario? Patsy-posting? How he played amogus ?

I have never used the world lionizing in my life.

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