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Lemmy World Rules

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Proper sf explores the edges of reality and then goes beyond.

Popular "sf" is old tropes and popular ideas rendered in terms of spaceships and robots.

The first is a real live alien. The second is cosplay.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 39 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

So we're gatekeeping science fiction now? Nah, I'm good. Doesn't seem like a worthwhile use of energy.

[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

lol right?

I mean, I do correct people who refer to Star Wars as sci-fi because legit that’s proper fantasy.

I think when science or related concepts being the focus itself then it can be called proper sci-fi, but there’s all manner of peripheral subject matter.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

There was when the magazines were struggling to survive. They found they could publish stories for hardcore fans AND for the general public. The success of that tactic meant that a lot of great writers could pay their bills and keep writing ... instead of a few.

Same story with films and TV series.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 27 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Sometimes you want to read something that blows your mind and innovates at the edge of philosophy.

Sometimes you want to turn your mind off and be entertained with interesting but predictable stories in interesting futuristic settings.

Both are equally valid experiences, both have merit, and both can equally be science fiction. You don't get to gatekeep and entire genre based on what portion of the experience appeals to you.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 14 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a debate as old as science fiction itself, back when, in an effort to legitimize the genre to the wider public, some sf magazines like Galaxy distanced themselves from they're contemporaries (the pulps) by only publishing hard sf 'big think' stories, and actively deriding space opera, with slogans like "You won't find any cowboys in our spaceships!'

I think at this point it's kinda silly to pick up that worn torch of 'pulp sf isn't sf' again. They're two different subgenres, and they both are excellent in their own way.

I for one like cowboys in my spaceships, ala Firefly, as well as the biggest think. And if they can combine them, all the better.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

the great thing about fiction (and any art form) is that anyone who wants to can define what makes one thing more "proper" than another.

and i can take anyone's idea of "proper" and piss on it, because i couldn't care less about anyone who thinks they're going to gatekeep creativity. which seems to be more common amongst sci fi nerds