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hey nerds, I'm getting myself a new personal laptop as a treat, but I very much do not want windows 11 shitting it up. Is there a linux distro with caveman-compatible instructions for installation and use? I want to think about my OS as little as possible while actually using it.

I've got one friend who uses mint, but I've also seen memes dunking on it so who knows. I actually really only know what I've seen from you all shitposting in other communities

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I just set up Nobara.

Shockingly straightforward.

Entire install process was very simple, with a GUI, then a neat little post install app that gives you another very straightforward GUI for running your first batch of system updates.

... Oh, and I was able to do this on a SteamDeck, without an external mouse or keyboard.

Nobara has a SteamDeck edition now.

The install process has a bit of Deck specific jank, basically i just had to change the screen UI scaling level from 175% to 100%, it defaulted to 175% when booting from the SD card i wrote the ISO to...

And then there's a bit of jank doing initial updates off the 'bare metal' install, because the SteamKeyboard overlay thingy will prompt your admin password for a system access prompt... which will disable most of the SteamDeck inputs for everything other than Steam untill you input your password to allow it to work.

The work around I figured for this is... when that prompt comes up, you push the steam button and hamburger menu button on the physical deck until you get Steam in big picture mode.

Then your controls all work in Steam.

Then you close Steam.

Then your mouse works via trackpad on the desktop, but the X button to bring up the SteamKeyboard does not.

So then you open Steam again.

Now the SteamKeyboard does work, and you can type in your admin pass to the system access prompt.

I had to do this silly process a number of times through the initial set up 0.o

I eventually set Steam to not automatically launch itself, and now that all the updates have gone through, I just have to mouse (trackpad) over to manually open Steam when I am in desktop mode and then give Steam the admin pw for the keyboard to work... just once per desktop session now that its all set up.

Probably I also could have gone back into gaming mode and just bound a button to whatever button combo Nobara/Fedora uses as a shortcut to open the actual Nobara/Fedora virtual keyboard, but I could not figure out what this key combo actually is lol.

But uh if you're just looking for an OS for a standard desktop PC, everything I've outlined in the above spoiler is not gonna be a problem, and you'll likely have a very straightforward install process.

I'm also a fan of Nobara's default UI... kind of a gnomeified KDE?

As well as its default apps, built in DeckyLoader and plugins for the Deck, ProtonPlus for runtime environments, and of course its built in kernel customizations/optimizations for to play vidya gaem.

Oh, and I went with Nobara over the default SteamOS because SteamOS on a Deck is a read only OS by default...

You can install flatpaks, but if you want to actually install new core packages, those will get wiped with a SteamOS update... or you have to use DistroBox... which may also get wiped on an update?

Not sure, but Nobara allowse to use the deck as both a Deck and a more standard desktop linux PC with more customizability... and not having to rely on the AUR, which I find incredibly frustrating.

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[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I'm very impressed by the work by the Elementary OS team. Linux is a beast to figure out, and while I've used Linux for 30 years, I remember how frustrating getting started was. I use Pop!_OS on my desktop machines today and Debian or Ubuntu for other machines and I've used dozens of desktops, but Elementary really does just work (and also also happens to be Debian / Ubuntu based).

It has the easiest install process, trouble free device support, and it starts you with guardrails that keep from breaking things, but can be turned off as you figure it out. Very Mac inspired experience, so not completely intuitive from Windows, but the reality of Linux is that you are going to change distros over time, or even use multiple as each do a better job at dealing with niche requirements. Certaintly not the one size that fits no one that is the current Windows 11 debacle.

https://elementary.io/

Edit: Wine math last night, it was summer of 1994 so 30 years, not 35 😅. It was on my new AMD 486DX4/100 with VLB and getting X to work was no picnic. A friend gave me the CD ROMs so at least I wasn't using dialup to download it.

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[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Don't get mint if you'll get a remotely capable laptop or plan to game on it. Its so called 'modern' desktop environment (wich still defaults to the old X window system) feels awful to use imo and while the 'retro' ones are better there's no point in using them on a new laptop. Choose a distro that ships with KDE, GNOME, or a wlroots based desktop environment.

I've also had driver issues with it that didn't happen with Ubuntu or arch.

Pretty much every distro has a caveman compatible installer.

[–] penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fedora KDE. It's easy to setup, modern, customizable and fast. Only issue is that it doesn't come with proprietary codecs, so that could be a problem.

Second would be Mint, it's only flaws is that it ships an older kernel (might be a pain) and uses X11 (insecure).

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

HolyOS, Hannah Montana linux, AmongOS

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[–] loanrangerofpeanuts@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I can’t disagree with mint being a good distribution, because it is.

I personally think for someone just starting out in Linux that an immutable distribution like fedora silverblue (gnome) or kinoite (kde) is the safest route to take. They’re difficult to break. I personally use bazzite on my framework laptop and it’s basically hassle free. Not for everyone, but they work well.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora or one of the offshoots like Mint or Pop.

As long as you don't go too far into the weeds with Arch, Silverblue or NixOS, You're probably going to have a pretty decent experience, as long as you don't dig too far under the hood too early most things that you're going to want to try are just going to work out of the gate.

[–] DesolateMood@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Any Debian/Ubuntu or fedora based distro will do you fine. I personally ran PopOS when I built my computer earlier this year and didn't have any issues with it

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

to those suggesting mint, any particular reasons to choose between Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce versions?

[–] MrCamel999@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago

I personally use Cinnamon, which has a similar feeling to Win10. Very satisfied with it on my desktop. From what I've heard XFCE also feels similar to Windows, but I simply have just used Cinnamon ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] ClipperDefiance@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Cinnamon or Xfce are more similar to Windows' user interface. Between those two, Xfce is more lightweight than Cinnamon. MATE is more for people who liked GNOME 2 and want that interface over what the current GNOME is.

Cinnamon would probably be the most friendly as a new user, but I personally haven't used it in years and I'm not familiar with its current state.

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[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Linux mint, Debian, Fedora

PopOS if you are into gaming

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[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I usually recommend Zorin OS to noobs, but personally I prefer arch based

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

Mint was my beginner distro and is what I recommend. In my experience I was able to find a solution for most of my beginner problems by searching for a solution for mint.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

linux from scratch /s

Linux Mint is good, Pop_OS! is good, Fedora is good.

[–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Install a few and see which one you like the most. You can install several distros at the same time and they'll all appear in the boot menu. When I was deciding which distro to use on my laptop, I was dual booting Debian and Fedora, with one /home partition shared between both of them.

Mint and Fedora are good choices IMO. Everyone is different though :)

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[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I've never noticed any hate for Mint, it seems to be a pretty good option. It'll easily run on anything that was able to run Windows 10 (probably 8 too) and the default desktop environment Cinnamon is easy to navigate if you're coming from Windows. Even if you have some obscure piece of hardware with Mint being based on Ubuntu there's probably a tutorial you can follow to get it working.

[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I always recommend to beginners ElementaryOS. The name being coincidental. It is a relatively simple looking but very very elegant and polished interface. Give it a try.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Good old I can't believe it's not macos

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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I dare you to install Gentoo

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[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Debian all day...

All these shiny new distros promising to make things easier and better... But nothing is easier and better than 30 years of rock solid stability and support.

Depending on how new the laptop is, it might not work on debian stable. Check your compatibility

From personal experience with a new laptop, the intel meteor lake platform didnt work well with debian stable

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

TBH Ubuntu, or if you have an older/lower spec machine xubuntu

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

TuxedoOS has been seamless, runs KDE, and all updates are checked for compatibility

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