the liberal mentality of everyone else just being a single West Wing style speech away from completely changing their mind

It's the antithesis of materialism.

This probably isn't true, but if it is: good.

Nowhere did I say Harris wouldn’t do that either.

Didn't mean to imply you had.

I don't see why that wouldn't happen under Harris, too. "We support Israel unconditionally, to the point of circumventing Congress to send them more money" indicates there is nothing Harris will meaningfully oppose. That and doing nothing to oppose the genocide right now.

I think Philadelphia is in the middle of a notably long time (possibly a record) without rain, too.

wishcasting because someone is french, is not going to help, and is far more damaging to our aims and allows them a way to immedatly deflect any of our points

Agreed. I don't make those sorts of comments, and I've pushed back on them under this username and others in the past. But I also understand there are good reasons to be deeply angry over the crimes of empire, and I've seen how being perfectly civil doesn't get you far, either.

We need to keep our cool, WE need to learn how to discuss it with a hostile audence.

When someone responds to a discussion of atrocity propaganda with "I hate you, you just want to kill minorities," you are no longer trying to discuss anything with that person. You're now making arguments for the people reading along. You don't have to be a doormat to do that, and being too conciliatory can give the impression that your argument isn't that strong.

Yeah, I understand the argument that "let's throw them in a well and make sure they don't get out" is related to the fable -- I just don't buy it.

It'd be like claiming "face the wall" is a lighthearted reference to Humpty Dumpty.

an authoritarian remains an authoritarian and that the only place they deserve is down a well, not forgetting to strike the hands that try to escape with a big stick

That has nothing to do with the fable you found; it's very plainly "those people I'm comparing to Nazis should be killed like Nazis." Surprise surprise, "it's a joke bro!" yet again turns out to be bullshit.

Do not message me ever again

You are right that it is probably not the best look especialy for an admin to mention throwing us into a well

My point is that if one says things like this, I'm not going to care if they complain about the same kind of violent wishcasting being aimed at them (and I'm definitely not going to care if they tut-tut about someone merely being abrasive or profane). They're just being dishonest, and there's no reason to engage with that.

Besides, none of this is about saying mean things anyway. It's about a few of the most active users over there thinking that if you support AES states you're a fascist. They aren't willing to have any sort of good faith conversation with you or me; they think we're basically brownshirts, they think we should be thrown in a well. One of my first comments in their defederation thread was asking this Anansi asshole a genuine question about atrocity propaganda -- no insults, no jokes, just "the west has lied about this in the past so I'm skeptical of them today." The very first reply included:

Seing all of you parading as “true” leftists while spouting the chinese equivalent of hasbara and not even seing the irony in this makes me hate you even more that shitlibs

Licking the boots of yet another authoritarian regime with state capitalism and a history of purging minorities

That's what they think of you and me. This is what they are upset about -- not mean words -- and they are unwilling to discuss it.

If you could read more than a sentence

Fuck off

It's also worth noting that Mandela founded the ANC's guerilla branch. Western media today portrays him as a purely non-violent, MLK-like figure, but in reality he was central to the ANC's decision to begin an armed struggle against apartheid.

It's almost as if:

During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.