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Oooh, I haven't seen Mad Men, but I remember it being all the rage back in the day. Sounds like it deserved all the talk it got.
It's very interesting to hear about your experiences there! We have a very toned down version of that here in Denmark too. Folks living in rural areas tend to skew right wing and people in the cities are more left. Granted, here left and right is different from America. To us, the Democrats in America would also be very much right wing. Farmers like liberals here because they fight for the farmers to have all the money all the rights and none of the responsibility that comes with it. The left wants to force farmers to take responsibility and they don't like that. Our liberal party recently changed their tune a little bit when it comes to farmers because we are literally killing our ecosystems right as we speak because of the farmers but now the farmers are crying that they don't get to ride the gravy train anymore. The good news is that younger generations of farmers seem more interested in changing for the benefit of the environment so in a few generations things might look a bit better for everybody. But currently we are dealing with a very spoiled generation og farmers who are welfare queens, possess at least 60 to 70% of the land to grow food for their pigs and then export all that meat to other countries, contributing a whopping 2% to our BNP when all is said and done. They also take the second place on the podium of the biggest polluters in Denmark, only outdone by transportation (planes, trucks, cars).
I grew up in a rural area too and was raised in a very leftwing family and that wasn't fun when my peers got old enough to understand politics, lol. People I grew up with mostly seem to have stayed in their local area and taken blue collar jobs, which is perfectly fine jobs. I have no contact with any of them and couldn't tell you how they are doing, but I spoke woth one former classmate some years ago and she told me that the people we used to know and the town is very small town, small minds vibe. Which I can totally believe. No idea how anyone votes, but wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them were on the right. And again, our version of the right wing is a lot tamer than yours. American Republicans are considered extreme and far right in my country. To an almost comical degree. We have a few extreme right wing parties but the only one that has any real traction nowadays is LA = Liberal Alliance which is basically a manosphere party. I can't stand them lol. Never could. That party is such a shit show.
I also agree with you. There are definitely some goofy opinions held by city people too. I'm in this weird position of holding many left wing views and values, but I also see city people as a bit snobbish sometimes. I have noticed in this thread alone that some Americans on this platform struggle to pin point what type of a person I am and assume I'm a right wing fascist for using the word woke to describe some things. I guess my boyfriend was right that America is currently so polarized that people like me will be whatever they hate and deem the enemy since I don't fit neatly into this black and white world view. It is very foreign and weird to me how extreme politics is in America and how much worse it has gotten in recent years because where I live, we are still able to communicate and share ideas across the political spectrum without turning it into a bloodbath. It's very weird talking with people here who seem entirely deaf to anything you say and just label you a fascist because you used a word they don't like. It's like they forget there is a world outside of the US that has its own views and impressions on what is happening around it.
Yeah, they don't care about investing in public transport for us because we are too rural or some shit like that. It's not like we don't want to use it. We just get ignored while Copenhagen is the darling of the land lol. It's the result of centralization politics for decades that drives people into the cities while smaller communities in the countryside are starved of options like public transport, doctors and even shopping facilities. It was a very systematic move on politicians parts and I have lived both in bigger cities and smaller towns and witnessed the centralization happen in real time and how the smaller towns have been slowly strangled to death. It sucks. It didn't used to be like this.
Right? Oh noooo I missed the metroooo. 🤭 2 minutes until the next one arrives?! Whatever will I doooo? 😜 And that is just the metro. Ignore the busses and trains which are also plenty and usually on time. Those lucky, lucky bastards.
Meanwhile in my neck of the woods: 💨
I could go into my public transportation horror stories, but I think it's better to conclude my comment with the fact that my boyfriend and I, who were both big fans of public transportation, ended up buying a car because we literally had no other choice.
It really is bad writing. One example I can come up with atm was the live action adaptation of Winx where in the first five minutes it pivots from being a show about a magical girl doing magical girl stuff with her magical girlfriends into a long-winded manifesto about mansplaining. Did it fit within the story? Nope. Did it contribute to the source material, plot and character? Nope. All it did for me was to make me shut it off immediately. Because yes. It really does feel like you're just having a good time with someone and all of a sudden they pull out the watch tower and starts asking you about jehova. I baked cookies and everything? The fuck is this? Get out of my house.
There is a right way to handle those topics, but it is always so shoehorned into things that you just end up repulsed by it. I think the new Nosferatu movie dealt with some of these themes of imposing men who don't respect a woman and her autonomy in a way that made sense both to the story, the source material and that fit well with the characters. Hell, take the old animated Hunchback of Notre Dame movie that Disney released in 96. That movie is pretty much the embodiment of social justice, but it is done correctly because it isn't preachy. It is compassionate and has a soul.
The very divisive way everything has been politicized in America and how it also bled onto the internet has eroded the ability to talk about important issues on both sides and everyone has been reduced to taking sides and being the embodiment of Bush's "you're either with us or you're against us" speech from back in the day. No nuance. No middle ground. No one is allowed to question or disagree lest they get stamped with a negative label and treated like a leper. So lame.
Dude, I love horror too. I love sharing horror media with other people. I cast my net far and wide in that category. Movies, games, books, short stories, music, podcasts, art installations, internet horror stories, ARG's, true crime etc. Name a category and I'll recommend what I know and think is good.
I think you're right. It's two authoritarian mindsets that ended up clashing in the end and it has resulted in this weird revenge power trip when coming to voting. Fucking bizarre. There are plenty things on the left in my country that I roll my eyes at and don't agree with, but just because a minority group in my country wants anarchism doesn't mean I will start voting on the right-wing parties here. Because fuck man, I don't agree with the right. I don't agree with the anarchistic activists either, but they don't represent all of the leftwing. I like that we have the values we have here. That sick people can get treatment and young people can study without being permanently crippled by debt. If some cringe activitist starts putting up posters about anarchism in my town I'll just take a picture and move on with my day. They do cool art. Even if the messages on their posters makes me embarrassed for them.
My boyfriend thinks the simple answer as to why people voted for trump is that they probably just don't care all that much about politics to really understand what they voted for. That some of them live rural enough that politics and societal problems feels far away from them and isn't something they think about in the same way that city people do. He put it in more eloquent terms and I'm extremely tired after a long day of traveling, so forgive my clunky summary of his words. He has a lot of compassion for all Americans, and I like to listen to his view points when I get ass-mad about the news and am in my emotions. Because I largely agree with him. It's just hard to be your rational reflected self when you're in chimp mode because trump or Musk or vance or some other that did another stupid thing today that will have long lasting ramifications for everyone.
I get that the term came from America but it has been used on the internet by all of us. It was taken by the far right in America to use it in a negative political context for sure, but that doesn't mean that everybody else in the rest of the world live in the US bubble. To me, woke is forced diversity usually done by big corporations who try to be hip with the kids and either failing to understand what they are doing or deliberately using diversity as a shield against criticism of their shitty product. That is all woke is to me. It has been happening in American media and it has happened in media closer to home as well as it has happened in internet culture which belongs to all of us.
I can't help that american society is so polarized that you can't even use words to describe anything anymore without being labeled by reactionary Americans online.
But if it makes you feel any better, I can switch to differentiate between forced diversity and regular diversity even though I have also been yelled at for that in the past. I am just commenting on what I'm seeing happening in media and in politics. I can't control or help what some people decide to interpret my intentions as.
I used to be a big fan of public transport, but after covid it went to shit in my country or rather, it went to shit in my part of the country. Pretty sure it is still great in Copenhagen. Those lucky bastards.
First of all, you don't know me and you don't know what my political views are. You just assume that because I dislike it when diversity is cheap and superficial and all about political agendas instead of telling good stories, that I would vote for trump.
Life is a tad but more nuanced than that. When they cast someone like Sam Jackson to play Nick Fury he was still playing the character. When they cast someone like Zegler to play Snow White it could have been the same, but no. During the promotion they had her come out and talk a bunch of shit on the old movie and making her a target for online hate. They have done shit like this for awhile now. They make movies political and divisive when they didn't have to be. Sam Jackson as Nick Fury wasn't promoted as now we get to see Nick Fury as a black man. It was just Nick Fury and he was played by Sam Jackson. That is the difference.
It's okay if we disagree on the topic, but I would really appreciate you not make your biased assumptions about my character. I could make a bunch of assumptions about you too, but instead I am trying to have a discussion. I don't know you or what your opinions on this and that is. All I know about you is that you project the same divisive and simplistic mindset that was very off putting to me when people who support trump were talking about diversity in media. It is either you love all of it or you hate all of it and depending on what side I'm on, I'll judge you to be a nazi or a communist. It's so fucking stupid to think like that.
But it seems you have made up your mind on who I am and I'm apparently bad because I don't enjoy a very specific brand of corporate pandering. Disregard everything else I have said and deem me an evil trump supporter. You are being very silly.
No you're just assuming a bunch of things because I used the word woke in a negative connotation. You didn't ask for clarifications or anything, you just jumped straight to insults and assumptions instead of being inquisitive as I would have expected people were on this platform. You can scroll down in the thread and see a more indepth explanation of how I think about the subject where I replied to someone who was interested in a discussion instead of knee-jerk reactions like yours.
But nuance is hard and demands empathy which is also hard. I want to be angry-mad and stomp my feet!
The problem is that the AI doesn't understand cultural context. I dunno where you're from so pardon me for assuming you're likely an English speaker.
A good translation isn't just to translate what the text says but to communicate the same idea to the reader or viewer within their cultural context. A good example is Disney's Aladdin where Robin Williams improvised A LOT during the recording sessions and most of his jokes are full of contemporary American cultural context. I'm Danish and most Danish kids didn't understand these American jokes so our translators decided to switch out some jokes with other jokes that conveyed similar points but within a Danish cultural context.
An AI cannot do that. It will translate what is written and it will be fucking nonsense to the receiver because they don't understand the context or the references.
AI is only good at translating as long as what is written can be translated 1:1. And even then I sometimes wonder. Because as a Dane I have noticed how terrible Word is at Danish when it comes to corrections. It follows English language context and will underline correct words in red and suggest alternative that aren't real Danish. For example, Danish words are slammed together while in English they are separated = skolelærer - school teacher. Word could very well decide to red line skolelærer and suggest to you that you should separate the word and make it two = skole lærer. But in Danish that would nullify the meaning. Now it is no longer a school teacher but a school and a teacher.
And I have seen on streaming services like Netflix and on steam how they lazily threw descriptions into a translator and it is just the most broken Danish I have ever read. It is so fucked because the newer generations of Danes who use these services are being influenced by them to learn incorrect Danish.
I have very limited trust in AI to do a better job at it since it isn't Danish people that have trained it and it doesn't understand our culture, our history nor how we communicate with one another. Everything that comes out of digital text based platforms from the US is our language filtered and massacred through US context. It is very very bad in my opinion and incredibly lifeless and soulless.
It would be the same the other way around btw. Me writing a piece of text with significant Danish cultural context and humor, slang and references would be translated into total nonsense for an English speaker, I'm sure.