OwenEverbinde

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[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This commenter is weirdly passionate about what kinds of porn Blahaj federates with.

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are showing kindness and understanding and openness and giving you the benefit of the doubt right now.

Meanwhile, you scramble and grasp for words that you imagine might somehow hurt.

You're the only one who looks unnerved. You're clearly bothered by the calm, compassionate, composure that none of your provocations can crack.

Ephemeral Sun hasn't stooped to your level once.

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am amazed they haven't run out of money already.

Were they all millionaires before this whole Trump thing started?

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone else here mentioned that being an LGBTQ+ instance and allowing association with porn occasionally described as "childlike" isn't something Blahaj can afford in this political climate.

They're already being called child groomers. You don't want something that can be twisted into ammunition by bad actors.

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Exactly this. Right wing propaganda already portrays the LGBTQ+ community as child groomers who are sexualizing minors.

Forget gasoline or lighter fluid: allowing federation with "barely 18!" content would throw a whole propane tank on that fire.

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Gold fringes on the flag of the country "Donald Trump" was president of? Damn it! We've been bamboozled! We aren't even living in the real United States! We were the sheeple all along, just like they were trying to tell us!

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah! Was he Donald Trump -- the person -- president? Or was it "Donald Trump" the legal entity? Is his name capitalized on the documents? Was his presidency valid under maritime law?

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Okay... I'm a bit confused... but I think you are saying the worker in the private company provides -- as his main product -- labor, even though he's still directly responsible for the creation of the sprocket that he poured. And that he is rewarded for his labor, which is his primary contribution, even though he receives no direct reward for the creation of the sprocket.

Am I understanding you? Please ignore everything below this if I'm not understanding you.

On the other hand, if I am understanding you correctly, please read on: the worker in the co-op performed the same task. And unlike the private worker, the co-op worker is given a reward for more than just his labor. He's given a vote in who the sprocket is sold to, a vote in the price set when the sprocket is sold, a vote in the exact mixture of ores going into the sprocket, and (without needing to ask for a raise, without needing to change jobs) the worker in the worker co-op gets a voice in how much he gets paid, what hours he gets scheduled, and how much vacation and sick leave he is allowed.

The worker in the worker co-op gets a voice in general. Agency.

I don't see how those two things just seem like different flavors of "company" to you. One strips the worker of everything but his labor. The other gives him a voice.

To me, that makes them opposites.

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

Damn. Their $1.3 billion in profits was already stretched thin with these writers' demands. How will they afford this too? One of the execs might need to take out a second mortgage on his thirteenth mansion just to make ends meet.

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What I was trying to explain is the “direct consequences of their labor” is the compensation they’re paid for providing said labor. You, as a worker, sell your labor for a price, same as any other transaction. If you will, your “sprocket” in this situation is the labor you provide.

I get that the worker is not the only reason the sprocket exists. I understand that he uses someone's else alloy-pouring lava-pitcher to pour molten steel into a sprocket cast someone else owns. Whoever owns those things and consented / instructed for them to be used in the above manner shares responsibility (might even be more responsible) for the creation of that sprocket. But the sprocket still doesn't exist until the worker poured the alloy.

The fact that the worker then didn't create a sprocket, or produce a sprocket, or cause a sprocket to exist -- is an alienating step only found in certain kinds of businesses. (And those are the only kinds of businesses anti-capitalists dislike).

For example, a worker can walk into a worker co-op, pour the same kind of alloy heated in the same kind of furnace into a cast that is shaped the exact same, but the worker at this co-op (unlike the worker for the private company) has now created a sprocket.

I'm pretty sure you would agree, right? Because he co-owns the company and he had a democratic voice in the acquisition of the company's tools? He is responsible for all of the things that caused that sprocket to be created. No other factors were more involved than the worker-owner's contributions and decisions.

So even though the co-op worker did the exact same thing using the exact same kinds of machinery as the private company worker, would you agree that the sprocket (which only existed after he poured the alloy) was a direct consequence of the co-op worker's actions? (Whereas it was not a direct consequence of the private employee's actions)

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Let's say:

  • my bank account reads, "100 thousand"
  • it costs me $5 million to build an oil rig
  • your bank account reads, "$12 million"
  • it costs you to $10 million to build an oil rig
    • and there's a reason: through corruption, backroom deals, and frivolous regulations, I have managed to raise your cost, but not mine

You can still build one. I still can't -- in any reasonable way -- poach whichever oil rig workers you choose to underpay. And this is true despite the fact that it's technically easier for me to build an oil rig. The only advantage you need to be above consequences for inefficient practices... is for your opponents to be too poor to afford startup costs either way.

No uneven playing field is necessary.

theoretically they could cooperate to build an oil rig and share in the returns.

United States tax dollars, in the form of DARPA grants, paid for the development of the internet. So there is precedent for extremely expensive operations to be successfully carried out under democratic control.

Also, since oil deposits are a natural resource, one could argue government ought to be involved in their collection.

[–] OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago

I'm with J Lou. Even Marx considered capital a valid input to the production process. He just thought it was being misused.

He believed the workers should control capital democratically. He believed our current treatment of capital (what capital entitles a person to do under our current system) was destroying people's lives and hope and autonomy.

But Marx and Engels actually dedicated several paragraphs of the Communist Manifesto to explaining why capital should not be destroyed during the overthrow of the bourgeoisie -- indicating that they did believe capital to be valuable.

 

@o_o@programming.dev asked "why are folks so anti-capitalist?" not long ago. It got quite a few comments. But I noticed a trend: a lot of people there didn't agree on the definition of "capitalism".

And the lack of common definition was hobbling the entire discussion. So I wanted to ask a precursor question. One that needs to be asked before anybody can even start talking about whether capitalism is helpful or good or necessary.

Main Question

  • What is capitalism?
  • Since your answer above likely included the word "capital", what is capital?
  • And either,
    • A) How does capitalism empower people to own what they produce? or, (if you believe the opposite,)
    • B) How does capitalism strip people of their control over what they produce?

Bonus Questions (mix and match or take them all or ignore them altogether)

  1. Say you are an individual who sells something you create. Are you a capitalist?
  2. If you are the above person, can you exist in both capitalist society and one in which private property has been abolished?
  3. Say you create and sell some product regularly (as above), but have more orders than you can fulfill alone. Is there any way to expand your operation and meet demand without using capitalist methods (such as hiring wage workers or selling your recipes / process to local franchisees for a cut of their proceeds, etc)?
  4. Is the distinction between a worker cooperative and a more traditional business important? Why is the distinction important?
 

This isn't so much a support request as a piece of advice. I just wanted to pass along a heads-up to save someone else some work.

The Bionic Reader Firefox extension breaks my ability to comment and reply on Lemmy.

This Image is With the Extension Enabled.

As you can see, the reply button has been clicked. It's grayed out. But the page stays stuck there. And when I refresh, my attempted comment is nowhere to be found.

The Firefox error codes are also different between having this extension enabled and not having it enabled. I'll post those in the comments.

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