[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

I don't disagree with any single point that you've made. I agree with most of them.

But you mentioned linux. Tell me again, Linus Torvald, was he employed under a capitalist country when he created linux? How about most of its contributors?

Your point is easily defeated. Please make a better argument.

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago

Well, no. Paying professors isn't free. Some places just hide their salaries in their tax money. But sure. Everyone gets education (I agree with this). Some people choose to be artists and... I guess they just fend for themselves?

Now, let's be absurd. Pretend I'M a artist. I made a blank canvas, and I'm willing to sell it.

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world -5 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, I think I've already agreed to that fact. Which brings us back to: how should we pay for those people to be educated? Who should we choose to create things? What should we do with everybody else?

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world -5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

No, and I never said that I did. Do I think that people are motivated to be educated and create things by capitalism? Yes, of course. It's provably happened on both of our lifetimes.

Does that make capitalism the best solution? No. But obviously you're gonna need to provide more data against it to convince other people. This is a weak argument.

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago

what does education have to do with inventing anything?

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[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Absolutely not! I'd ask why they should, and obviously there are many reasons.

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world -4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

.......you do know what engineering is, right? It's... Definitely not a magic ghost inhabiting halls. It's learning physics, electronics, programming, and, well, engineering to create novel solutions to problems people have.

My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things. You unequivocally hating on it, for no discernable reason; I I can't find a reason for that.

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

It's coming from someone who dedicated their entire life to being smarter than you or me about electronics.

Go on. Give your opinion.

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

So it's been a month. Care to link to your article about dating?

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

... It's coming from the culmination of, like 5 decades of absurdly educated engineering. If you want to call them workers, then sure.

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Okay, sure, I'll play devil's advocate. The engineering that goes into a single iPhone is unfathomable. It would take an entire lifetime of study to even try to produce something close.

But Apple pays about a jillion engineers about a jillion dollars each, and so they're able to create new iPhones every year or so. That was 100% powered by capitalism.

Yeah, workers physically put the pieces together. Do you think any of them could design an iPhone without any help or reference? Or a single body to tie it all together?

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