[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 15 points 1 day ago

That, and they forgot that they were poorer 4 years ago than they were 8 years ago.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 3 days ago

I wasn't taking about "memes" I was talking about this meme (and others like it). You are doing to me exactly what you claim I did to you.

I didn't claim you said that your position was that this was Democrats biggest problem, or anything else you claim I said (or implied) that you said. That was a simple supposition to highlight that this is not a strategically intelligent way to address the problem, even if we presume it to be a massive problem.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 3 days ago

And you figure that memes like this might change their minds? Assuming this is actually the biggest problem facing Democrats in this election, shaming voters is not the right strategy.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 3 days ago

While I agree this is definitely a big issue

Is it though? Your sampling is limited to friends who you say are no longer "this way". If your sample is sufficient evidence that it was a problem, then it's sufficient evidence that it's no longer a problem.

In reality, polls have shown progressives to be the most reliable voters in the country. Beyond that, they are the most involved in volunteering their time for Democratic campaigns.

There is nothing wrong with getting the message out that voting for Democrats is critical to everything the left might hope to achieve. However, framing the debate in a way that blames the left for the failings of liberal centrists is far more likely to push some people in the wrong direction. It's not just unfair and unproductive, it's anti-productive.

There is a reason that when the Democratic establishment doesn't push this message that right wing trolls like OP do it for them.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 0 points 3 days ago

Keep in mind that most of them (like OP) are right wing agitators trying to drive a wedge.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 34 points 3 days ago

Right wing morons and shills can't exactly base their arguments on how much better Republicans are, so they come at it sideways with this bullshit.

Well, jokes on them because "the left" isn't made up of complete morons like they have in the MAGA movement. Despite neoliberal whining to the contrary, the left has been consistently the most reliable voting demographic the Democrats have, and that's despite the fact that the establishment shits on us at every opportunity.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 4 days ago

Bring back? It never went away. The 13th amendment still explicitly allows slavery of prisoners, and that has been exploited to the fullest.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago

It didn't happen to FDR.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago

I was being over broad. The first red scare was after WW1 and was a prominent feature of Republican politics from that point onwards. If you look into the resistance to the new deal, it was the same red scare nonsense that McCarthy rode as a wave.

Did the Trump era start in 2016, or did he simply usurp a rising fascist current in American society? I personally think it's more of the latter than the former. Likewise with McCarthy, but it's fair that I was corrected.

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