This isn’t so much a war as it is a mass execution.
The rocket attacks may be, but the ground operation in Gaza is going to be anything but. There's going to be a lot of casualties on Israeli side before this is over and the first waves of wounded soldiers started coming into hospitals around Gaza right on the evening when the invasion started.
FYI rationalists are an actual group and although they're largely weirdos, there's pretty much zero overlap between them and PragerU conservatives.
RANT: While I know that language changes all the time, I find it very unfortunate that this little fellow o/ and possibly his slightly more formal friend o7 have become synonymous with “nazi salute”. First off, it’s the wrong arm! And second off, what do you have against “man waving” and “man saluting”?
Have they really? Never seen o7 used that way, with o/ it's more understandable, but since one can easily just use \o (or use an actual unicode swastika) I just don't see it getting that controversial. Seems even less known than the triple parentheses thing, which is something that most people who don't spend their lives on the internet never heard about.
I wonder how the Jews of Europe would have responded if the worlds response was “Well we’re not really sure we consider this a genocide. Lets wait a year or two and see how this shakes out.”
That is not what I said or meant. You keep misinterpreting my words to fit in your view of "anybody who disagrees with me has to be malicious". That is not how reality works.
You are a coward and a sorry creature. Its terrible what happened to Israel due to Hamas. But it in NO WAY justifies any course of action that Israel has since taken. Do better.
You seem to be so convinced by only exposing yourself to completely one-sided views that you cannot even imagine that someone could disagree with you without being evil. You did not respond to most things I said in this discussion and now you're calling me names. You're the one who should "do better", as useless as the phrase is.
Meh. I could literally say the same to you. I repeated what you said in an ironic manner, but I was serious about it. But it's not like our argument has any influence on the real world anyway, so we'll see how the situation develops in a year or two.
They can use special ops.
If they could, they would have already done so.
They can appeal to the Palestinian people.
They're doing that as well, but thinking that this would solve the situation is LOL, LMAO even.
They can revise their foreign policy to not set these situations up in the first place (see the previous 20 years of Israeli policy towards Palestine).
I see we're getting back to "well they should have done xxxx". Israel stopped the occupation of Gaza and let them have free elections to govern themselves. As a result Hamas with a stated goal of destroying Israel won and started doing terrorists attacks on towns around Gaza. So Israel built a wall. So maybe Palestinians can revisit their foreign policy towards Israel (see the previous 20 years of Palestinian policy towards Israel).
They arent’ targeting Hamas, they are targeting any Palestinian with a pulse.
Again, if they did that, they would have been levelling Gaza to the ground without risk to their soldiers, they have the resources to do so. They announced in advance that they will do an assault on northern Gaza to give civilians the chance to leave and go south for now, and even if they initially gave them ridiculously short 24 hours, the actual time given was days longer than that. Only, a large part of the civilians were prevented from doing so... Not by the IDF, but by Hamas, wanting to use them as human shields as usual.
Right now, you are acting as an apologist for a genocide and you should seriously reconsider your position. It will not age well.
Right now, you are acting as an apologist for a monstrous terrorist attack and you should seriously reconsider your position. It will not age well.
If Israel actually commits genocide, I will change my position. So far that does not seem to be the case.
Israel is a powerful nation with all the options they can imagine on the table. If they can’t imagine another option then that’s on them.
You say that, but I don't see any other way to remove the Hamas threat than what they're doing. Is your argument just "Israel is all-powerful and they should find a different way even if we don't see any!"?
are you making the argument that the correct response to a terrorist attack is to genocide the people where the terrorists are based?
What? I'm mentioning Grozny. Have you heard about Grozny? If you haven't, maybe I understand how you could interpret my message in that way, though I still don't think it makes sense. In the second Chechen war, this is what Grozny looked like after Russia was finished with it, most likely on false pretenses (putin faking appartment bombings around Russia and blaming it on Chechens). They simply turned it to rubble.
Israel could do this and get away with it just like Russia did, and their reasons for attacking Hamas are more serious than reasons Russians had to attack Chechnya. Instead of doing that they chose to do a ground invasion, which will reduce the loss of civilian lives and infrastructure, despite the fact that it will dramatically increase the casualties on Israeli side.
That is not genocide, that is deciding to avoid genocide in a situation where they could likely get away with it.
Do you honestly not see the problem with letting out at the very least tens of thousands of people, possibly hundreds of thousands, and guarding them all well enough so that none of them can do any hostilities that can be done without smuggling arms out of Gaza (whether it's sabotage, inciting violent protests to keep the IDF occupied or terrorist acts using weapons smuggled into Israel from elsewhere)?