david

OK, let me put it another way. I don't think there's a safe amount of incel writing to read and I think that the phrase "involuntary celibate" is loaded with resentment from the start.

I think it's OK for any of us to be unhappy that we're not in a sexual relationship, but I strongly believe that categorising onesself as having celibacy imposed is, at the outset, inventing a fictional collective will and conspiracy on the part of a large and nebulous group of people, who are individually and collectively not even slightly responsible for any individual's or group's happiness or sex life. As a self-label, it inexorably leads to blaming others.

It's true that some teenaged girls can be powerfully cruel, dismissive, hurtful and nasty to boys who take an interest in them, and at those times, those girls are guilty of psychologically damaging the teenaged boys they have emotionally attacked, but they are still not in any way whatsoever responsible for anybody's sex life nor in any way whatsoever for the lack thereof.

It's also an oxymoron. The word celibate is only correctly used for someone who has chosen to abstain from sex for some reason (usually religious). It's logically impossible to involuntarily abstain, because abstinence is a choice but definition. For example, if you are ineligible to vote or someone prevents you somehow from boring, you aren't abstaining. You are only abstaining if you can vote but choose not to.

So, in summary, involuntary celibate is a phrase that deliberately twists meaning and twists morality, placing responsibility and blame on a group of people who are neither responsible or to blame.

You claim that involuntary celibate has a real, obvious and clear meaning, but I disagree with everything in that assertion. Involuntary abstinence is meaningless as a concept, lacks clarity of thought and obscures meaning. The actual real, but hidden and non-obvious meaning in the phrase is (erroneously and fictionally) that women are to blame for men's lack of sex, so in fact the meaning of the phrase is far from obvious and real, as evidenced by your mistaken belief that it's a neutral term. It's a term born in hatred and designed to foster blame and hatred.

You might well believe that you're using it innocently and I'm good faith, and if so, please realise that you're very much at risk of being drawn into a hate group.

You are, I'm afraid, deluding yourself if you think that you're one of the non-racist MAGA fans, just as you're deluding yourself if you think you're an incel who isn't incorrectly blaming other people for your lack of sex or that you aren't on the road to toxic misogyny with that way of thinking.

There are many things wrong with society, with gender relationships, and with dating expectations, but women and men's absulote freedom to not have sex whenever, wherever and with whomever they feel isn't one of them.

What's your definition of MAGA, just make America great again, or also election denial?