eli04

joined 7 months ago
 

I can either book a direct 3 hour flight or take a 36 hour bus trip across 1K miles changing buses 2 times in 2 different non English speaking countries but in big cities, so I assume young people and public facing employees at the bus exchanges to speak some of it...

I'd have to wait between 3 and 5 hours to board the next bus. Optimist me says great! I could go sightseeing, but with a large and heavy backpack this might not be a good idea...

Then there's food, which at bus stations or in tourists areas is neither good nor cheap no matter where you are, personal hygiene, pickpocketing... I'd be traveling solo.

And more noob questions: are travelers allowed to eat in the bus? Am I allowed to bring my own food?

I've read the post again and this looks like a really stupid idea... but did you ever do something like this? Any regrets?

[–] eli04@linux.community 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

somebody who gets it...

 

German nurse here who doesn't want to work at the bedside. Continuing education's called Weiterbildung here and lasts up to 1 year instead of the regular 3 required for a regular Ausbildung (Apprenticeship).

What most Germans do afaik: they find a company or institution that pays for this continuing education (Weiterbildung), so they learn both practice and theory at the same time and are officially hired after they've finished it. This is what I'm trying to do.

Plan B would be to do this Weiterbildung myself: I'd ask for financial assistance from the federal government, which in my case would cover 50% of my education expenses and reduce the hours I work for my hospital to 8 hours per week not to be fired, but there would be no guarantee that I'm hired after I finish the Weiterbildung to leave the bedside.

As much as I hate working with patients, I like the hospital, 'cause I don't have to commute much.

 

lots of German speaking channels with several hundreds and thousands of members but no content whatsoever, some of them with no posts for the last 6 months...

what happened?

 

I'm a German nurse applying for a job office as a clinical coder. The main reason to leave bedside? I'm tired of dealing with arrogant, non compliant patients and being blamed for things I cannot control: think about the diabetic patient that keeps drinking coca cola or a patient that outright lies to me claiming he took his medication, but he doesn't or being blamed because a patient didn't go to angiology on time because I had to assist with another procedure. There are much more examples but I'll stop now.

I just want a quiet job with regular working hours and to have a life, time and energy for my hobbies. Being a clinical coder could be it. A simple, repetitive, boring office job looks like a blessing as of now.

I don't believe you should find accomplishment in a job: I work because I need the money and I have no idea what to write to imply I'm passionate about assigning numbers to medical cases so my hospital gets paid. It's like being an accountant. What do accountants write in their apps to impress potential employers? I like large and properly filed databases?

It doesn't look good if I write that I'm tired of working bedside (for the reasons I mentioned) and I just want to find a quiet job and go home and leave work at work, does it? But writing that I'm a nerd for figures and love assigning numbers to cases and also love large and properly formatted data files sounds ridiculous.

At the same time, I still don't want to shut the door completely to bedside because it still pays more than this position as a clinical coder and I may decide to go back later in time.

ETA: In Germany we also work with NANDA Diagnosis and Diagnosis-related Groups, like our American counterparts.

 

the idea is to use your soon to be former job as a fallback option.

I'm a nurse looking for an office job, but it can be it turns out to be something I don't like (never worked an office job). I was thinking of giving it 1 to 2 years to see how it is.

If I have to use my current bedside position as a fallback I don't want to change specialties, cause that would mean being treated like a newbie all over again, something I want to avoid.

I get that people are constantly looking for better options and 2 years might be a long time. The current coworkers that make the job amenable might also leave for greener pastures before I come back, if ever.

[–] eli04@linux.community -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I see you are incapable of answering a straightforward question and prefer to rant in the void to feel good.

fine it it helps you feel good but... weird.

[–] eli04@linux.community 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

there's asking genuinely and there's asking maliciously and writing absolute nonsense 'You live in Germany, you actually have the luxury to not work. Everyone gets a roof, food and healthcare, even without working.' like the member you defend.

If you consider this an example of a person worth having a discussion with, kudos to you, I'll pass.

But do please enlighten me, what's the whole point of those group projects in school?

[–] eli04@linux.community 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

in your experience, do managers recognize and pay this 20%? This being nursing, I don't believe it's gonna be the case: this is a job nobody wants to do, reason why slackers get away not doing much.

[–] eli04@linux.community 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

their first hour consists of looking for excuses to do nothing but talk with everyone around, whereas I prefer to finish my duties as soon as possible. During the other 7 hours, if somebody from another unit comes to ours, that's another excuse to do nothing for 10 minutes. If while checking vitals somebody gets a funny meme or video sent to her, another 10 minutes go to waste. Something that could be done in 15 minutes like serving food lasts 45. This is what grinds my gears.

And I just want to finish my duties and go home.

It is true that changing jobs might help, but it's also true if people are like this everywhere, I'm going to keep resenting them.

[–] eli04@linux.community 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

answered like a 12 year old... hope you grow up

[–] eli04@linux.community -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

stop feeling offended

[–] eli04@linux.community 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

so how would a smart person react to this?

I wouldn't worry if we distributed patients: I'd have my patients and do only them, but management expects me to cater to all patients, including the ones from the lazy ones...

Im seriously thinking about becoming like them... I jut hope management doesn't yell a lot when I do that.

[–] eli04@linux.community 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

work is important to me because I like having a roof, food and healthcare. I don't have the luxury of not having to work.

Are you saying that work is a place to dump your issues or what you did on the weekend to the point of not doing your job? This is something I find very odd. I don't want to work with people with this mindset.

Are you advising me to ignore patients when they call? cause that's what they do and if a job is simply inconsequential, why bother?

Are you also advising me to listen to them when they rant against greens (an ecologist party in Germany) or migrants? It's tiring and closeted racist.

I don't see how my work ethic is the wrong one, or how yours would be better. Better if I want to become a careerist? absolutely. Better if I want to feel good with myself? absolutely not.

 

obligatory I'm a German nurse living in Germany, but the German channels on lemmy don't have as many members as this one, so I ask here.

When I work I like to do my job and then relax. To me, doing it the other way round is just stupid. I was never the kind of person that goes to work to socialize, I don't need it and I strongly resent forced socialization.

For the last 2 years I've worked within the same hospital system and it's clear to me now, nobody thinks like me: all my coworkers spend the first hour of the shift talking about their private lives, as they were looking for excuses not to work and expect anyone else to take care of patients. And because I'm the only one with this job mentality, it's always me the one who works while the rest do nothing.

This is very frustrating and I'm now applying elsewhere, but it bothers me that my new workplace can turn out to be like this.

I'm also applying for office positions (no shifts) and wonder: does this happen there as well? Ideally I'd be completely responsible for my work alone.

I feel like a student at school again, when the teacher forced me to work in a group with the lazier ones and I ended up either doing most of the job or became as lazy as them. Why work when they don't?

I don't want to work with people who slow me down.

 

a normal shift to me means not having a 30 minute pause, but being constantly moving. If you are lucky, you can pause for 3 minutes and drink coffee or juice when nobody is looking.

I finish every shift with sore muscles. Am I the only one?

 

I'm a German nurse interviewing for 9 to 5 office jobs.

If I get one of these jobs, I wanted not to completely leave nursing: my system pays better than other local hospitals and I don't want my experience to go to waste. I wanted to work 2 to 4 weekend days per month, only second shift (shift starts at 12:30 and ends at 21:30), 'cause this is considered the easy shift and I want the extra money, but if I don't like it, I can always change units or just work my office job.

I'm curious to hear answers from both sides of the Atlantic

 

cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/1204782

cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/1204779

warum? Geld. Ich frage mich, ob ich naiv bin:

VZ-Stelle: Büroposition, Organisation, Dokumentation, Verwaltung, Korrespondenz... Mo bis Fr, 08:00 bis 17:00

Aber da ich auch Pflegekraft bin, könnte ich 2 bis 4 Spätdienste pro Monat am WE ausüben (die sind einfache Dienste).

Studenten machen das: VZ studieren, TZ am WE arbeiten.

Wenn ihr sowas gemacht habt, wie war das für euch?

 

cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/1204779

warum? Geld. Ich frage mich, ob ich naiv bin:

VZ-Stelle: Büroposition, Organisation, Dokumentation, Verwaltung, Korrespondenz... Mo bis Fr, 08:00 bis 17:00

Aber da ich auch Pflegekraft bin, könnte ich 2 bis 4 Spätdienste pro Monat am WE ausüben (die sind einfache Dienste).

Studenten machen das: VZ studieren, TZ am WE arbeiten.

Wenn ihr sowas gemacht habt, wie war das für euch?

 

warum? Geld. Ich frage mich, ob ich naiv bin:

VZ-Stelle: Büroposition, Organisation, Dokumentation, Verwaltung, Korrespondenz... Mo bis Fr, 08:00 bis 17:00

Aber da ich auch Pflegekraft bin, könnte ich 2 bis 4 Spätdienste pro Monat am WE ausüben (die sind einfache Dienste).

Studenten machen das: VZ studieren, TZ am WE arbeiten.

Wenn ihr sowas gemacht habt, wie war das für euch?

 

cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/1177907

ich will nicht mehr am Bett arbeiten, da:

  • Wenn ich Frühdienst habe, stehe ich um 4 auf. Und ich habe kein Bock mehr.

  • Ich arbeite 12 Tage am Stück. Und ich habe kein Bock mehr.

  • Ich habe kein normaler Schlaf-Wach-Rhythmus. Und ich habe kein Bock mehr.

  • Ich habe kein Bock mehr, mich für isolierten Patienten den Schutzkittel anziehen müssen, während Ärzten mit seinen normaler Kleidung maskenlos ins Zimmer eintretten, heißt, Regel gelten nur für uns und nicht für sie. Und ich habe kein Bock mehr.

  • Pantientenangehörigen sind anmassend, glauben, dass ich ein Kellner bin, beschweren sie sich über kalte Suppe, wenn ich instabile Patienten habe und wenn ich Infusionen vorbereite kommen sie zu mir zu sagen, dass sein Vater keine Paprika isst. Wieso diese Person glaubt, dass ich Koch bin, oder dass ein Krankenhaus ein Hotel ist, verstehe ich nicht. Und ich habe kein Bock mehr, solche Vollidioten zu leiden.

  • Arbeitskollegen beschuldigen mich für Sachen, die ich nicht kontrolliere: Es ist nicht meine Schuld, dass der Frühdienst nicht dokumentiert hat, es ist nicht meine Schuld, dass ein Arzt die MRT-Aufnahme eines Patienten abgelehnt hat, da instabil und das du den Termin neu machen muss oder dass das Bett immer noch besetzt ist oder dass ein Patient weder Deutsch noch Englisch kann und dass er alles mit Gestik aggressiv ablehnt und schreit.

  • Es ist nicht meine Schuld, dass es Juli ist und dass es warm ist.

  • Ich habe kein Bock geschlagen oder beleidigt zu werden nur, weil ein Arzt der Meinung nach ist, dass ein Patient im Delir nicht gefährlich ist und die Fixierung nicht anordnet. Wir waren da mit dem Patienten. Du nicht. Sei leise und arbeite nicht gegen uns. Arschloch (natürlich nicht laut gesagt).

  • Wenn Kollegen im vorherigen Dienst die Wagen nicht aufgefüllt haben, muss ich das machen, bevor ich den Rundgang mache. Und ich habe kein Bock mehr.

  • Ein normaler Tag heißt, die erste 4 Stunden pausenlos arbeiten: waschen, mobilisieren, achten, dass die Kabeln und Drainagen während der Mobilisation richtig liegen, Mengen kontrollieren, inkontinente und inmobile Patienten am Bett waschen, fast laufen, multitaskieren, da wir keine Sekretärin haben, Ärzten, die dich unterbrechen, wenn du am PC Laboretiketten vorbereitest, ohne das zu speichern, so du muss nochmal von Anfang an neu anmelden, gebrochene Waagen, nicht geladene Thermometer... Und ich habe kein Bock mehr.

  • Es ist nicht meine Schuld, dass Mitarbeiter sich krank melden oder dass ich mich krank melde. Es sollte niemanden verwundern, wenn man diese Arbeitsbedingungen betrachtet. Und ich habe kein Bock mehr.

  • Wenn ich nach Hause komme, bin ich so müde, dass ich mich legen muss. Zeit für Hobbies gibt es nicht, da Erschöpfung. Und ich habe kein Bock mehr.

Definitiv bin ich nicht mehr in der Lage, am Bett zu arbeiten, allerdings bin ich immer noch im Bewerbungsverfahren für eine Büroposition und ich sollte auf keinen Fall so beantworten, wenn sie mich fragen, warum ich den neuen Job möchte.

So, gibt es irgendwelchen Weg, diese Antworten zu verschönen?

Und kein Wunder, dass Pflegemangel herrscht. Wer möchtet unter diesen Arbeitsbedingungen arbeiten? Nur Menschen, die keine Alternative haben.

[–] eli04@linux.community 2 points 6 months ago

sorry, sie reden wie ein Wasserfall / wie Wasserfälle

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