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[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure it happened many times? Not all cultures are rampaging hordes like the west Europeans, though even then given enough time and contact conflict becomes more likely to arise.

For essentially peaceful first contacts, the Chinese treasure fleets of the Ming Dynasty come to mind. They sent out their voyages six times, traveling around the southeast Asia and the Indian ocean (to India, Arabia, east Africa, and Iran). They had varying degrees of prior contact with many of those they visited, but further out as they went further west and south they only knew the routes. Other than some minor anti-piracy activity, overthrowing a Sri Lankan king who was engaging in piracy against Chinese trade partners in favor of an ally, and helping an ally in Indonesia (in Sumatra) reclaim their throne from an usurper, it was primarily peaceful and mutually beneficial on all sides. Gifts and tribute were exchanged, and ambassadors and samplings of goods from previously known but not directly contacted regions returned with the fleets.

There is also history of peaceful trade (probably with no real reason for conflict) between Indonesians (Makassans) and pre-colonial, aboriginal Australian societies.

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Yeah, like most nations of Australia traded normally with technology exchange across the continent (and from the Polynesians and Makassans as you note), with only limited conflict

[-] JillOfAllTrades@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago
[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

It's hard not to respond with hostility when the citation provided is Keely (1996) War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage (you know it's gonna be racist shit), using a word for the mob that live there that's about half a century out of date.

Have you read those sources?

Have you wondered to yourself how a white Brit in the 1930s estimated the number of deaths in a small part of Northern Australia, and have you then wondered how that's relevant to 60,000 years of living in a contact because the Europeans came and almost wiped everyone already there out?

Anyway I'm downloading Warner's 1937 book so I'll reply again to shit on it.

[-] CaliforniaSpectre@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

The extra history on Indonesia tells a very different story about how botched the Chinese intervention in Indonesia was. They ended up helping the original "usurper's" son back to the throne because of several misunderstandings and deceits. Unless they are also oversimplified things.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

between Indonesians (Makassans) and pre-colonial, aboriginal Australian societies.

Interesting...

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