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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 73 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

In a story on the Ukraine - Russia front that was missed with everything going on in the Middle East, video has emerged of a Russian stealth 5th generation Su-57 fighter jet shooting down its own friendly partnered S-70 stealth drone at high altitude, after it lost control of the drone, to prevent technology from the drone falling into enemy hands. This occurred relatively deep inside Ukrainian territory, around the city of Kostiantynivka in the Donetsk Oblast. Videos emerged of some of the wreckage of the S-70 drone on the ground.

While it is obviously not good that Russia lost one of their handful of stealth partner drones, this incident reveals some key information and battlefield firsts. Russia, now with visual evidence, has become the first nation to deploy 5th generation stealth aircraft over highly contested enemy airspace. The stealth capabilities of the Su-57 are very real. It went undetected by Ukrainian air defence systems, including the US manufactured Patriot system, and the remaining Soviet/Russian S-300 systems Ukraine has, while over 20km inside Ukrainian airspace (when measured at the frontlines of the conflict, much further inside Ukraine if measured from 1991 borders) at high altitudes that these systems should have no issue covering. Western copium about the Su-57 not being a true 5th generation stealth aircraft, based off of images of outdated prototypes, has now been disproven by actual evidence.

This also really brings to the forefront two other realities: Ukraine's air defence is very degraded, and Russian commanders are confident that the Su-57s stealth capabilities are enough to carry out deep strikes without being detected with regards the current state of Ukrainian air defence. I have already talked about the stealth one two punch that the Su-57 offers with its stealth cruise missiles in the Kh-69 before, and how this enables Russia to effectively extend the range of these cruise missiles and strike deep inside Ukrainian territory. The most obvious example of this has been the strikes against energy infrastructure using the Kh-69 cruise missile.

Editing to say: Key takeaways from this? Ukraine should be very glad that Russia only have a handful of Su-57 aircraft and S-70 drones, if they had the same amount of these aircraft as the USA has F-22s, the aerial campaign against Ukraine would look very different. Secondly, Iran should be worried about their air defence capabilities against stealth aircraft. The backbone of Iran's air defence is the Russian S-300PMU2 system (NATO name: SA-20B), and locally produced variants of it. We already know that Israeli stealth aircraft in the US made F-35 can bypass the Syrian S-300PM (NATO name: SA-10B) air defence systems with some effort, but still with relative ease. With Iran currently having the most advanced S-300 systems, even more advanced than the S-300PMU (NATO name: SA-10C) systems Ukraine has, some might think that they would do better against stealth aircraft. But that is quite a gamble to take when a lot of the radar technology in the more advanced variant of the system Iran has is simply an evolution of older systems, systems which have now proven to be incapable of detecting both Russian and US made stealth aircraft. Iran ideally needs S-400 systems soon to adequately deter the stealth threat.

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Jet nerds coping about the SU57 is so funny, "why doesn't Russia make one gazzilion of them it's a fake jet doesn't exist", like chill bro Russia doesn't need 1300 su57 and they just started making them

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago

The US and Russia follow different philosophies for the respective development of F-35 and Su-57.

The F-35 was mostly built to make money, they have to start selling the products even when the product is not ready yet. Because the supply chain is spread across several investing countries, if the plane is stuck on a prototype mode for too long, then some factory in another country will not get their job order and the production of certain critical components will have to be placed on hold.

To ensure that profit can flow, they have to sell the planes first then fix later. This is why you get so many issues with the F-35s, because unlike the Cold War planes, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter project was commissioned at a time when the USSR was no longer a threat and after the 1991 Gulf War when the US crushed the Iraqi military, politicians no longer saw a need to fund more weapons projects. So for the military industrial complex to survive, the F-35 became a grift project that tied the government into a spiral of endless spending that would end up costing trillions.

On the other hand, only a handful of Su-57 prototypes were built and rigorously tested to work out the kinks and defects, and only then did the project enter serial production phase as more or less a complete product. This is both because Russia is a poor country that cannot afford to build too many prototypes at once, and also because it actually has to work in order to carry out its intended military purposes, so unlike the US, they cannot afford to waste money building military equipments that have fundamental defects (corruption not withstanding).

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ideally Russia should aim for parity with the US F-22 fleet regarding Su-57 final production numbers, about 180 aircraft. Such a number is probably not realistic though.

Anyway, Westen plane nerds coping about how the Su-57 isn't stealth based on photographs of outdated prototypes, would be like Russian plane nerds saying that the F-22 is not stealth based on photographs of YF-22 and YF-23 prototypes. The prototype is not the final production version. Does this mean that Russia is behind the USA on this technology, given that they were prototyping it while the USA has had it actively deployed for over a decade? Yes, but that's the reality given the collapse of the USSR. Only delusional fans of Soviet or Russian technology would deny that. Russia is recovering from that collapse. And as the conflict goes on, we are seeing more instances of Su-57s being deployed on combat missions, and it's being deployed in a much tougher combat environment than the F-22 ever has. All the F-22 has done has been to shoot down Chinese weather balloons and bomb Syria back when all Syria had was the S-200 air defence system.

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

What is the purpose of stealth drones anyway? They are supposed to be cheap enough to make losses acceptable. You might as well just use stealth aircraft if you want to you stealth technology