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[–] machinin@lemmy.world 126 points 1 month ago (28 children)

Stop enabling the genocide? Please?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago (2 children)

All they have to do is pledge to follow the Leahy Law....

Israel won't comply, which means we legally can't provide arms. Kamala doesn't even have to be "the bad guy", she can just say she's choosing to follow American law and if Israel wants arms then they can comply like every other recipient has to.

It's really as easy as saying:

If elected I will not break American law to send arms to foreign countries.

Boom, election locked up.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

How many voters would she lose if she declared intent to stop assisting Isreal?

She might possibly gain a few, but would she lose any?

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Is not about voters, it's about money. Both parties are bribed to keep it going.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

It's a valid question and I'm sure the Harris campaign has spent considerable resources trying to get a good estimate of that number.

It's pretty insane that the Democratic party officials have to say, "We'd love to stop funding a genocide but our members won't vote for us if we do that."

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

She'd gain more than she'd lose, even before counting in the electoral college. Conditioning Israeli aid is supported by the majority of people of Democrats, Republicans and independents, and the people who don't want it don't care too much either way. Definitely not more than left wingers who want the genocide to stop. In terms of votes it's a no brainer.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

She would likely gain voters because she would be distinguishing herself from Biden who remains deeply unpopular.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is THE potential problem with this

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I would hope there are more anti-genocide voters but i doubt it, honestly.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Yes. Enough to lose. These people don't seem to understand this (or refuse to)

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Any voters she would lose are far outweighed by the amount of voters she'd get. It's about 5:1 from what the polls indicate, or about a +6 point gain. Quite significant considering how dead-locked the race is right now

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Maybe their thought process is that D voters will vote for her either way and they're trying to pull R voters who support Isreal? Otherwise, I don't get it. The data here supports pulling support of Israel.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

You people really have a massively inflated concept of how many voting progressives that there are. Get off the internet for a while...

Harris would 100% lose the election if she said that.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Best they can do is thoughts and prayers. Oh wait, that was school shootings. Never mind then.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

School bombings don't qualify.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Israelis don't have the guts to even look the children in their eyes as they slaughter them. Cowards.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When they actually face real soldiers like in Southern Lebanon they get their arses handed to them.

All they know is blow up pager, burn refugee camp, bomb hospitals, shoot pregnant women in belly, rape men to death, and sniper bullets in kid’s heads.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

I'm also offended by Israeli war crimes but I don't think that's an accurate assessment.

As far as I can tell, the Israeli military is very good at violence. They're extremely well equipped, they have superb training, and their military personnel tend to be dedicated to their cause.

The main problem isn't their ability to kill and destroy, it's their indiscriminate use of that ability.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 1 points 1 month ago

Of course they look them in the eyes! It helps them aim for the head!

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[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

machinin was thrown out of a window

Anybody? Any solution will do, cmon people

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Not those islams!

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